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    Hello All,

    On 31 July/1 August, 1942, on an op to Dusseldorf, the following airmen baled out of 1651 CU Stirling I R9302:

    AUS406613 Billy Kendall COLLINS RAAF (Collins' files at the NAA are not digitised)
    1333595 Sgt L B FALLOWS
    1162513 Sgt R C KING

    All became Prisoners of War, and ended up in Camp 344, Lamsdorf. R9302, made it home with the remaining crew:

    114834 Sgt Ralph Hilton CREDLAND RAFVR
    1334861 Sgt ---?--- DEATEKIDGE ????
    575843 Sgt Robert Frederick LOWRIE RAF
    112292 P/O (Pilot) George Handy QUINN RAFVR
    (I know the fates of Credland,Lowrie & Quinn).

    I have tried various combinations/devices to try and locate 'DEATEKIDGE', no joy.

    No aircraft loss, no mention in BCL. Collins,Fallows and King are not mentioned in 'Footprints on the Sands of Time', but are mentioned in Ross' POW listings.

    Can anyone assist in identifying 'DEATEKIDGE'?

    A big ask on Boxing Day, but here's hoping.

    Regards,

    Col.
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    Not sure this is much help, Col, but I see that both Quinn and Lowrie were killed with 15 Squadron:

    Quinn - Stirling W7611
    Lowrie - Stirling N3759

    So maybe this chap also went to 15 Squadron too

    EDIT: oops just re-read your post and I see you already know the above. Sorry

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    Hi Amrit,

    No harm done mentioning the fact!

    Credland was killed on 28-1-1943 with 20 OTU (BCL7/196).

    I scoured the 15 Sqn losses, post-1 August 1942, could'nt locate any likely candidates for 'DEATEKIDGE'.

    It is not going to be easy! I think the NAA is the way.

    Thanks,

    Col.

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    Just a warning that when one enters DEATEKIDGE into the NAA one gets Collins' casualty file - so I have a feeling that the misspelling maybe repeated in there too (I'm probably telling you what you already know)

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    Amrit,

    Spot on!

    The surname is obviously derived from a corrupted casualty signal (Collins'). I suspect there might be other documentation in his file with a more accurate rendition of 'DEATEKIDGE'.

    The search continues...

    Col.
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    I'd suggest the Surname "Deathridge"

    34 people of that surname are on the 1916+ birth registers.

    Males are/include

    Herbert C - b. 1916
    Albert E b.1917
    John b.1918
    Edward b.1918
    Francis E b.1920
    Gordon F d.1920
    Rosyston D b.1921
    and the list goes on. The name is predominatly a Warwickshire name.

    There are no entries in LG for a commishioned man of this name.

    The airmen serial numbered 1334860 and 1334862 both died during the war.
    Serial Number batch: 1330001 to 1340000 Nov 1940 Uxbridge and Weston-super-Mare.
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    Dennis,

    "DEATHRIDGE', was one of the first combinations I tried! Like you, nix in the LG. Put it thru' GSE, same result. Ironically, there is one Deathridge on the DVA Nominal Roll (Edward), Australian Army (though born in Bethnal Green, London).

    The christian names, birthdates and locale might just be useful later on, for verification.

    Thanks,

    Col.
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    hello,

    I've just checked in "Oxford's Own" by Martyn R. and Valerie A. FORD-JONES, about No. 15/XV Squadron, and no mention of a name looking like "Deathridge" or "Deatekidge" in the names index or in the appendices about casualties (prisoners, wounded, etc...)

    Michael Bowyer in "the Stirling story" doesn't give any details either : Stirling I R9302 became LS-F of No. XV Squadron on 5th February 1942, then Z of XV Squadron Conversion Flight on 5th May 1942, then Z of No. 1651 Conversion Unit, with the date 7th October 1942 followed by an interrogation mark. With Col's input, it was already the case in July of that year. She suffered a ground accident on 24th June 1943, undercarriage collapsing during taxying, to 1665 CU on 30th November 1944, 6 MU 5th May 1944, SOC 14th January 1945.

    I couldn't find any mention in the main body of the book.

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    Joss,

    Thanks for checking 'Oxford's Own'. In all probability 'DEATEKIDGE' survived the war unscathed, and therein lies the problem. I know you mean 1651 CU when referring to R9302's service after 15 CF. 1651 CU had suffered heavy losses on an earlier raid, and R9302 may simply have been 'borrowed' to make up the numbers for the Dusseldorf raid, the paperwork catching up later on.

    To all who have contributed to the thread so far, thank you too.

    Col.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COL BRUGGY View Post
    Hello All,

    On 31 July/1 August, 1942, on an op to Dusseldorf, the following airmen baled out of 1651 CU Stirling I R9302:

    AUS406613 Billy Kendall COLLINS RAAF (Collin's files at the NAA are not digitised)
    1333595 Sgt L B FALLOWS
    1162513 Sgt R C KING

    All became Prisoners of War, and ended up in Camp 344, Lamsdorf. R9302, made it home with the remaining crew:

    114834 Sgt Ralph Hilton CREDLAND RAFVR
    1334861 Sgt ---?--- DEATEKIDGE ????
    575843 Sgt Robert Frederick LOWRIE RAF
    112292 P/O (Pilot) George Handy QUINN RAFVR
    (I know the fates of Credland,Lowrie & Quinn).

    I have tried various combinations/devices to try and locate 'DEATEKIDGE', no joy.

    No aircraft loss, no mention in BCL. Collins,Fallows and King are not mentioned in 'Footprints on the Sands of Time', but are mentioned in Ross' POW listings.

    Can anyone assist in identifying 'DEATEKIDGE'?

    A big ask on Boxing Day, but here's hoping.

    Regards,

    Col.
    Col,

    You may have this information, taken via the No.1651 C.U Records Book (Air29/612)

    "Seven aircraft took off to bomb Dusseldorf, All returned but Sergeants King, Fallows and Collins bailed out over the target area on orders from the captain (P/O Quinn) whose aircraft had be caught in searchlights and hit. At 200 ft the captain regain control and subsequently landed safely at Middleton St George"

    Will check out the details on the missing airman tomorrow.

    Regards

    Smudger
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