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    Hi All,

    86 Squadron ORBs from 1941 refer to 'Roll' patrols which I believe were anti-invasion patrols. All I can find on the subject are that they were looking for potential invasion sites....is that simply all they were?

    Were these 'ops' purely in Coastal Commands sphere of operations and what exactly were they designed to achieve.

    I can't find any information at all by googling and until now haven't seen the term 'Roll' in any literature.

    Many thanks in advance,

    Russ

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    Hi Russ,

    Not found this as one of the standard patrols but one aircraft was shot down over the North Sea while engaged on it.

    Usually Coastal Patrols were made up from abrev of the locations.

    So I suspect that the patrols was between Rotterdam (RO) and LL (x Light?)

    Not much help other than North Sea in the vicininty of Rotterdam and fairly short lived as a patrol name.

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    Thanks Ross,

    Yes, it is new to me but definately designated as a Roll patrol. I have seen the term in a logbook as 'Roll - (North Sea anti invasion patrol)' and 86 ORB sumarises this as 17/4/41 'Three aircraft were designated for convoy escort and one for roll patrol'.......'the aircraft detailed for roll patrol had nothing unusual to report'.

    By googling 'anti invasion patrol' you find many Royal Navy uses of the term but from www.rafweb.org you get for 268 Squadron 'The initial task for the Squadron was the conduct of anti-invasion patrols along the southern England coastline and reconnaissance of potential invasion sites within the UK.'

    I have never come across this term before and was hoping to find an official definition of the term.

    Many thanks,

    Russ

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    Following Ross's line of thought, is there anywhere on the UK's eastern or southern coasts, or on the coasts of Holland, Belgium or France with the place name starting with an 'L' that's got a Lighthouse?

    Clutching at straws here!

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    How about Lowestoft Lighthouse? Lowestoft to Rotterdam is about 105 nm. Unlikely, I would have thought, for any invasion forces to have started north of Rotterdam and - consequently - to have contemplated landing north of Lowestoft!
    But I agree with you that this could be, in RAF Stores parlance, "Straws, Researchers for the grasping of, EA, 1"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resmoroh View Post
    ... "Straws, Researchers for the grasping of, EA, 1"
    HTH
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    Is Lynn Well lightship any more likely? I am not even sure it was there at the time, but it does revel in the glorious distinction of being on the East Coast and beginning with L

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    I was waiting for Ross to weigh in before I offered any thoughts on this one.

    I assume we have all discounted a more simple explanation due to its use over a limited period but I was going to suggest it could mean these patrols were assigned in some sort of roll call order. How was it typed in the ORB, in all caps or not?
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    David, Tsk, Tsk,
    Here we have a thread capable of infinite variations! And then you come along with Logic & Reasoned Argument! That sort of extreme thinking should be reserved for only the most dire of situations!! And, as was quoted in some book, the situation is "Desperate - but not yet serious"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Thanks for all your interesting theories, it's a pleasure reading through them.

    Roll is written down in the ORB both with capital and lower case letters and I originally assumed it was some form of patrol particular to Coastal Command (ie creeping line ahead or percussion) but it could be just a way of describing who is next in turn. It is continiously mentioned in the section of ORB I have, and even by reading and re-reading I cannot reach any conclusion.

    If anyone would like a look at the ORB entries I can easily forward them through if you wish to PM me your e mail address.

    Thanks again for your replies,

    Russ

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    Couldn't help it Peter, I'm a Virgo journalist!
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