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    Is someone able to provide me with the details, please, of a mid-air collision that occurred during instument flying, in a Master I believe, at 7 SFTS at Montrose sometime in 1941, which involved 1256932 Sgt. Plt. Bruce Paul ‘Pyfo’ Dunstan, RAFVR. Dunstan later went on to serve in 41 Squadron.

    I am seeking a date and the circumstances, including the name of the other pilot involved.

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    Steve, do you mean 8 FTS?

    I have no crew names but collisions listed by ABS for 8 FTS Montrose are;

    3/6/41 T8630 and N7488

    13/7/41 T8337 and Hurris N2661 and V6566

    6/9/41 AZ264 and AZ377

    17/12/41 N7931 and Anson R9585

    In addition I have 19/4/41 T8688 as being in a collision, but I do not have the other a/c serial.

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    Hi Dave

    Thanks for your message. Not sure, but I have a page written by the pilot in question stating above "SFTS Montrose" then later, "While at SFTS Montrose collided with another Master while doing instrument flying. Tore off my starb'd wingtip, crash landed on drome at 140 MPH - lowest speed at which I had control of aircraft."

    I'm afraid that's all I have. He enlisted 12 July 1940, joined 5 ITW at Torquay in 1940, then went to 13 EFTS at White Waltham & Peterborough, then to 7(?) SFTS at Montrose, I assume some time in 1941 (no dates given).

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    Steve

    The reason I query is because (RAF Flying Training & Support Units)7 FTS was not at Montrose did not have any Masters, and in any case was disbanded to form 31 SFTS in Canada early in 1941. Reformed at Peterborough ex 7 PAFU in 1944.

    8 SFTS was at Montrose with 108 Masters as complement in September 1940

    Of the possibilities that I listed, the ones cited as being Montrose or Montrose area are T8630, N7488 and N7554.

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    Default 7 (RAF) and 31 (in Canada) SFTS

    By coincidence, I'm currently going through the daily diary of 31 SFTS in Canada. The move from Peterborough in the UK was in several stages, spread over several months. The first ground parties were at Kingston by September 1940, still calling themselves 7 SFTS. The Canadian part became 31 SFTS on 7 October 1940, but the UK part probably remained 7 SFTS for a few more months. The first Harvards and Battles arrived at Kingston on 20 October 1940, and flying in Canada started that day.

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    Hi guys

    Thanks for your posts.

    DaveW, you must be right. I can't see right now where I got the '7' from, as from what you're saying, it must have been 8 SFTS. I guess a few of the incidents you list could have been Dunstan's collision, but it will be difficult to pinpoint the right one without any closer info. That said, though, with your dates, it should be possible to check the ORB on my next NA visit without too much difficulty. Thanks for your help, as otherwise I would have been searching another ORB in vain!

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    I thought following Paul McMillian's note on Henk's 3-6-1941 thread I would bring up the original with some ORB extracts, though one of them answer the original question, so back to square 1.

    April 19th 1941, “T8688 (F/O R.H. Dibnah) and N7554 (780719 Sgt Ziejka) collided in mid
    air. Both force landed successfully.”

    June 3rd 1941, “No.1379543 LAC Tansley W. killed in accident to Master T8630. Aircraft
    crashed at high speed in flames, after mid air collision with Master N7488, flown by LAC
    Presland E.P. Investigation held by W/Cdr Simpson on 7th June 1941.”

    July 13th 1941, “780969 LAC Adach, H. & 780569 LAC Janczyk, A. killed in collision
    between Hurricanes N2261 and V6566 3 miles south of Johnshaven. Investigation held by
    Wing Commander E.W. Simpson on 15th July 1941.”

    September 6th 1941, “F/Lt Stewart, 39832 (Instructor), 1005760 LAC (Cadet) Housley, W.
    and P/O Becko, P0239 (pupils) killed in aircraft accident whilst carrying out formation
    practice near Lauriston. Master AZ377 piloted by P/O Becko collided with Master AZ264
    piloted by F/Lt Stewart with LAC Housley as second pilot. Accident investigated by W/Cdr
    Simpson on 13th September 1941.”

    December 17th 1941, “F/O Buchanan, Instructor, with Sgt Hughes W.W. pupil of No.1 A.F.
    Course, killed in flying accident in Master N7931, after being involved in an air collision with
    an Anson aircraft. 7 Occupants of the Anson were also killed. Both machines crashed near
    Stracathro. W/Cdr Hodder and S/Ldr Brook investigated the accident on 20/12/41.”
    Alan Clark

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    Thanks all, especially Al, for this valuable info.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Alan thanks - I wonder if it was the 'double' collision incident on 13/7/41 with Master T8337 and ????

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    Hi all,

    Quote from Al's thread: "December 17th 1941.......air collision with an Anson aircraft. 7 Occupants of the Anson were also killed".

    For the Anson I've serial R9585 and the names of three casualties:

    P/O (Obs) Victor E. FRIESEN - RCAF J/7026;
    F/Sgt (Obs) John A. STEWART - RCAF R/65342, and
    Sgt (Wop/Ag) Raymond K. COOK - 798509 (from Newfoundland).

    The remaining four may come from the following names:

    P/O (Obs u/t) Henry R. CUTTEN - 112740;
    Sgt (Wop/Ag) Arthur GIBBONS - 1006983;
    Sgt Reginald KIRKUP - 551550;
    F/Sgt (Pilot) Laurence J. KUHRT - 580042, or
    F/Sgt (Wop/Ag) Cyril STOW - 549630.

    The place of death registration probably may give an answer.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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