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    Default 44 Squadron researchers - LM592 KM-Q

    Are there any 44 Squadron researchers out there please?
    With others, I am looking specifically at Lancaster LM592, KM-Q, lost 21/22 June, 1944, returning from a raid at the Wesseling oil plant in Germany. Left Dunholme Lodge airfield, Lincs., and shot down over Netherlands.
    All crew under F/L Edwin Albert CANTY, RAAF, 2 others RAAF A/Gun. Louis J.P. McCoy and Nav. John R. Vowles, F/Eng Ronald E. Clay, Sidbury, Devon, A/Gun Ernest G. Scott, Long Eaton, Derbys., and the two specifically that I am interested in W/Op Walter M. Crook, Kirkham Lancs., and B/Aim. Eric Norris, Croston, Lancs., buried at Eindhoven.
    Have CWGC, The Times and extracts from 'Bomber Command' but looking for anything specific to this crew or this operation or further pointers.
    Have made contact with someone who holds memorabilia of crew member Norris but not yet viewed it. Believed no living relatives of Norris or Crook now survive.
    Awaiting reply from 44 Association but in the meanwhile, I was wondering.............
    Many thanks.
    Stewart
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    Have you looked at the Australian databases for the Australian crew?

    Canty's casualty file has been digitised (though I haven't looked through it):

    http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/imagine.asp?B=1065087&I=1&SE=1

    There's also a pic of the crew:

    http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/P02417.001

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    Many thanks once again Amrit. I see that:-
    MACDONALD , DONALD JOHN,
    Leading Aircraftman
    R/176956
    24/09/1944
    Unknown
    Royal Canadian Air Force
    Canadian
    Coll. grave 20. A. 1-9.
    RHEINBERG WAR CEMETERY
    lost his life only three months later and was still an LAC as shown on the CWGC, not Sgt as on the photo. I was of the understanding that aircrew were at least of Sergeant rank. What would explain this lack of seniority?
    Answers once again lead to further questions.
    Stewart
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    Stewart: There might be an error in the CWGC database which you could support by attaching the photo to them by email.
    The photo caption states he is Sgt D J MacDonald AND the photo clearly shows his sergeant stripes (Back row far right) and can obviously be dated to pre 21st June when the rest of the crew were lost.
    Hope that helps!

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    Gents,

    The MacDonald who died on 24 September 1944 is not the man in the AWM photograph.

    http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/detail&casualty=2047986

    Date of Birth: May 16, 1909
    Glace Bay, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada

    Son of Archibald M. and Alexis (nee MacLean) MacDonald, of Glace Bay, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. He joined the Air Force in September 1942 and was an air plane mechanic stationed at Moncton, New Brunswick, until he had an opportunity to fly on an overseas mission in August of 1944. The Dakota carrying he and 19 other passengers and 3 British crew, went missing on 24 September 1944.

    There are also three photographs of "this" MacDonald on the a/m website.

    Regards,

    Dave
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    Thanks Kevin and Dave.
    24th September, Dakota, 19 passengers, suggests Arnhem possibly.
    Presumably then, our Sgt MacDonald, who otherwise doesn't show up on CWGC, survived the war. Good luck to him. Maybe he was on leave, training etc when they flew the fateful raid and McCOY was sitting in for him, or whatever.
    Stewart
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    Quote Originally Posted by alieneyes View Post
    The MacDonald who died on 24 September 1944 is not the man in the AWM photograph.

    http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/detail&casualty=2047986

    Date of Birth: May 16, 1909
    Glace Bay, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada

    Son of Archibald M. and Alexis (nee MacLean) MacDonald, of Glace Bay, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. He joined the Air Force in September 1942 and was an air plane mechanic stationed at Moncton, New Brunswick, until he had an opportunity to fly on an overseas mission in August of 1944. The Dakota carrying he and 19 other passengers and 3 British crew, went missing on 24 September 1944.

    There are also three photographs of "this" MacDonald on the a/m website.

    Regards,

    Dave
    From Cummings' Though Without Anger:

    Dakota KG653 1 FU 4 miles south west of New Leiningen

    The aircraft was originally recorded as ‘Missing’ but was then found crashed in the German border area. The circumstances of its loss are not recorded but it is known that it was carrying mostly ground crew staff destined for a Canadian Dakota squadron operating in the Far East. The records also suggest that the aircraft was flown by a 437 Sqdn crew to which it had been allocated prior to its flight.

    F/Lt Ralph KORER Pilot
    P/O Lionel Alfred VEARLEY Navigator
    Sgt George BECKOFF RAAF Wireless Operator
    LAC Lawrence Irwin BEACH RCAF
    AC1 Frederick Robert Leigh GATES RCAF
    AC1 John Dunlop MCVIE RCAF
    LAC Oliver Eugene Debs BERGEN RCAF
    LAC John Adelard Real CHEVRIER RCAF
    LAC Joseph Robert Marcel Armand COUTURIER 21 RCAF
    LAC Michael James Foch GOOD RCAF
    LAC Fred Larsen KRISTENSEN RCAF
    LAC William John Scott LUNDY RCAF
    LAC Donald John MACDONALD RCAF
    LAC John Cyril SUTHERLAND RCAF
    LAC Henry Studwell WATSON RCAF
    Cpl James CUMMING RCAF
    Cpl Howard John HUNTER RCAF
    Cpl Lorne Hamilton MOREAU RCAF
    Cpl Frederick William SARGENT RCAF
    Sergeant Walter Francis HUGHES RCAF
    Cpl James Ernest ALLEN RCAF
    LAC Robert Thomas BURDEN RCAF
    Cpl William Howard CAMPBELL RCAF

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    Hello Stewart,

    In the past the 44 squadron association was helpful to me by making a apply about my research in their newsletter.So sif you don't get all the answers you could ask them to place your questions in their newsletter.

    Mike

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    Thanks Amrit for you and the forum coming up trumps once again.
    Cheers Mike for the pointer. I shall certainly bear in mind when I receive 44's reply.
    Stewart

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    Hi Amrit
    I've now had the opportunity to browse through Canty's 47 page AWM file, which contains the usual correspondence in the circumstances of a casualty notification. I full page listing his personal effects to be forwarded included "1 housewife". Hope she was posted back Air Mail.
    Shall be seeing my other informant later today a.m. GMT Friday and looking through Norris's effects. Making progress. Many thanks.
    Stewart

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