421205 - Unaccounted airmen - 5-12-1942

[malcolm_raf]

Hi

Welcome to the forum.

There were no Liberator losses on 5 Dec 1942 and his death is registered in the right area for the Tiger Moth loss on post #8

Unfortunately I don't have any further details on his career

All the best

Malcolm

[Ross_McNeill]

Hi People,

Looking at the Form 1180 for Tiger Moth DE527 it lists 2 killed.

The only one of the fatalities named is the pilot

Sgt D R M Allan 1365875

The flight is decribed as practice flight with unauthorised passenger.

Comment is made on the health of the passenger and it's possible bearing on the accident.

Regards
Ross

[malcolm_raf]

Ross

Thanks for confirming Allan

Malcolm

[Chris Davies]

Gents
discussed on this thread 18/04/2012

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?12815-Sergeant-JONES-N.L.-1266012-Martinet-HN941

Chris Davies

[loopysam]

Thank you Ross and Malcolm for the information. It seems likely that he died in this crash. Do you know exactly where I should search to find confirmation of the details of his death. Do you think that he was not named because it was an unauthorised flight?
Regards,
loopysam

[Resmoroh]

loopysam, Hi,
Yr man's death is recorded at:-
Sutcliffe Lewis 22 Nthmbld.N.2nd. 10b 477.
That is, Lewis Sutcliffe, aged 22, Death Registered in Northumberland North 2nd District (see http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/northumberland%20north%20second.html for areas and parishes that District covers). The Death Cert Ref is Volume 10b Page 477.
With all that info you can get a copy of the Death Cert. This should tell you precisely what the Cause of Death was (and this may also make reference to his alleged/supposed "medical condition"), and where - precisely - it took place. It will also tell you who provided that information.
Whether he was on an unauthorised 'jolly' has nothing to do with it.
HTH
Peter Davies

[Ross_McNeill]

1. Order a copy of his death certificate from the General Registry Office at Liverpool.
(Takes about 5 days to come by post)

2. Contact the RAF to get a copy of his service record.
(Best info of all but takes about 3 to 6 months)

3. Visit The National Archives at Kew to view the Operations Record Book for the Glider Pilot Exercise Unit.
AIR 29/526

Glider Pilot Exercise Unit, based at Netheravon and other UK locations.

1942 Sept.-1943 Nov

(May or may not contain a mention of the crash and crew details)

4. Get a copy of the Form 1180 from the RAF Museum at Hendon
(I'll send a copy to your email for this)

The steps above will set you off at a good pace.

Regards
Ross

[Ross_McNeill]

Also at The National Archives is the Air Investigation Branch report on the crash

Item reference AVIA 5/21
Type: Tiger Moth (DE-527); Location: Houghton Down; Report No.: W1382

I have not examined this section of the report and cannot say the extent. It may be only a few lines confirming the incident or it may run to a couple of pages.

For more on what an Avia report may contain please see the following link:
http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?11853-AiB-AVIA-Class-Reports

Regards
Ross

[jonheyworth]

David Gomer Richards 1211826, attached to 5 MU , was killed in an MT accident at Witney

[jonheyworth]

John Spence 1141940 , attached to 205 Group , died in Alexandia military hospital of an intestinal obstruction caused by Cronhs disease at 01:15 Hours after having been admitted on 23 November