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    Default Bomber Losses, 28 October 1944

    Hi all

    I'm after information on the bomber losses on two Ramrods on 28 October 1944 that 41 Squadron was involved in.

    The first of these was Ramrod 1349 to Walcheren Island. 155 Halifaxes, 74 Lancasters, 36 Pathfinder Mosquitos and 12 Pathfinder Lancasters were sent in (TOT 10:15-11:45) and one Halifax and one Lancaster were lost.

    The second was Ramrod 1350 to Cologne. 428 Lancasters, 286 Halifaxes and 19 Mosquitos were sent in (TOT 15:54-16:03) and four Halifaxes and three Lancasters were lost.

    Could someone kindly identify the bombers lost for me please? I need (i) destination/ramrod, i.e. which attack, (ii) squadron, (iii) aircraft type and Mk., and (iv) serial.

    No further information on crews or fates is required at this time.

    Thanks in advance for your help once again.

    Kind regards
    Steve
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    Hi Steve
    What I can get from Chorley BCL Vol 5.
    Cologne
    10 Sqn-Halifax III,MZ576,EA-T engine loss outbound,ditched off Immingham,Crew rescued by HMS Middleton
    347 Sqn,Halifax III, NA 512, Landed at Brussels with all engines streaming oil, FFAF Crew safe a/c abandoned
    347 Sqn,Halifax III, NA519, a/c ditched after severe icing froze the oil system,FFAF Crew safe
    434 Sqn,Halifax III, MZ576,WL-F,A/c abandoned at Linton-on-Ouse following engine fire after an overshoot on return. Crew safe
    Walcheren,
    76 Sqn,Halifax III, MZ 599, MP-U,Shot down into the sea by Flak,Crew lost
    Regards
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    Hi Steve
    Got interrupted first time!
    Same source gives the Lancasters
    Cologne
    35 Sqn,Lancaster III, PB612,TL-F,Lost without trace
    115 Sqn,Lancaster I,NF960,KO-R,No details give but 2 crew became POW
    419 Sqn,Lancaster X,KB712,VR-L,crashed at Hurth(cant do the umlaut)
    Walcheren,
    90 Sqn,Lancaster I,HK602,WP-X, crashed in the target area near Flushing
    Regards
    Dick

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    I have PB612 as TL-P and the two crew members from 115 Sqdn Lancaster NF960 who became POW's, Bomb-aimer and Flight Engineer.
    Bill

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    The Roll of Honour for Little Staughton http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Bedfordshire/LittleStaughtonBookofRemembrance.html
    has a crew from 582 Squadron:-
    28 / 29 October 1944

    Took off from Little Staughton at 11.45. Task was to mark gun positions on Walcheren. Lost without trace.

    CROFT Lawrence Furby Flying Officer 422079. 582 Squadron Royal New Zealand Air Force. Died Sunday 29 October 1944. Age 23. Son of Isaac Furby Croft & of Bertha Croft (nee Anderson); husband of Elizabeth Croft of Wadestown, Wellington, New Zealand. Commemorated: RUNNEYMEDE MEMORIAL, SURREY. Panel 262.

    DAWSON, DFC Eric Sidney Flight Lieutenant 82210. 582 Squadron Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. Died Sunday 29 October 1944. Commemorated: RUNNEYMEDE MEMORIAL, SURREY. Panel 202.

    HODGSON Kenneth Flying Officer 154238. 582 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. Died Sunday 29 October 1944. Age 20. Son of Capt. George Hodgson and Rhoda Hodgson, of Carlinghow, Yorkshire. Commemorated: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Surrey. Panel 206.

    MAHONEY Rex Cecil Flight Sergeant 1336772. 582 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. Died Sunday 29 October 1944. Commemorated: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Surrey. Panel 220.

    POCOCK Robert Leslie Pilot Officer 185749. 582 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. Died Sunday 29 October 1944. Commemorated: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Surrey Panel 212.

    ROBERTS William John Henry Sergeant 1155381. 582 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. Died Sunday 29 October 1944. Age 23. Son of George and Eva Mildred Roberts; husband of Ethel Roberts, of Broadstairs, Kent. Commemorated: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Surrey. Panel 237.

    WILSON David Desmond Sergeant 1573648. 582 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. Died Sunday 29 October 1944. Age 20. Son of James McCall Wilson and Elizebeth Small Wilson, of Glasgow. Commemorated: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Surrey. Panel 240.

    WITTY Wilfred Thomas Flight Sergeant 1397910. 582 Sqdn., Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve. Died Sunday 29 October 1944. Age 21. Son of John and Mary Witty, of Chelsea, London. Commemorated: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL, Surrey. Panel 223.

    which doesn't seem to be on Dick's list.. any other details?

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    Hi Kevin
    I got the idea that Steve was interested this time in the Daylight escorted raids as his interest is 41 Sqn that was a fighter outfit on the escort, so I didn,t look at what seemed to be the night raids that followed
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    H-Hour for 582 Squadron at Walcheren was 11:30 am (5th wave) so it looks like they were involved. H-Hour for the other waves on the target were: 10:30; 10:45; 11:00; 11:15 & 11:45
    I have H-Hours for Cologne as 15:45 for aiming point 'G' and 16:00 for aiming point 'H'.
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    Thanks for that Dave.Chorley has the later waves as 28/29 Oct so I didn't look at the times.The only point I have in mitigation is that the Halifax and Lancaster totals I posted match those asked for by Steve but I clearly missed some and the ones that you draw attention to would possibly have been escorted as well, but maybe not by 41 Sqn.
    Thanks Again
    Dick

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    Dick's message # 2: 434 Sqn aircraft was serial MZ420.
    Dick's message # 3: If you can't type the "Umlaut" just type an 'e' following the vowel, like = ae * = oe * = ue, etc.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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