Results 1 to 6 of 6

Thread: Sgt J C Kneubuhler - Baltimore Crash

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    3
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Sgt J C Kneubuhler - Baltimore Crash

    Trying to identify details of a crash of a 203 Sqdn Martin Baltimore on or about October 3rd 1943. Sgt John Kneubuhler s/n 1293716, was the navigator and the only survivor when they were attacked by e/a off Crete and crashed back on friendly territory. Sgt Kneubuhler being admitted into RAF Hospital Benghazi on Oct 3rd and then transferred to RAF Hospital Egypt 2 days later.



    Researching on behalf of family members, any help or advice gratefully received. Have researched 203 Sqdn ORB's at National Archives but by they contain no details.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    209
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Can you recheck the date, please?
    There appears to be no fatalities for 1st to 3rd October 1943.
    These were sustained on 5th October 1943
    001 BRIDGEWATER GW 950835 203 SQDN 05/10/1943 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    002 DODDINGTON RE 1257520 203 SQDN 05/10/1943 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    003 GWYNNE PAW 61951 203 SQDN 05/10/1943 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    004 ROBINSON HW 905788 203 SQDN 05/10/1943 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE

    In November 1943, again one crew:
    001 GIBBON EH 1054931 203 SQDN 01/11/1943 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    002 HALL WJ 1119302 203 SQDN 01/11/1943 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    003 WATSON D 129045 203 SQDN 01/11/1943 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    004 WITHERS CJ 1351430 203 SQDN 01/11/1943 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE

    I believe the crew of a Baltimore was only 4 and quite cramped, so can't see how an extra crew member would fit anywhere. Could he have been injured trying to rescue them?
    Edit: Just checked for burials but both show as Alamein Memorial, indicating they didn't recover the bodies, probably lost at sea.
    Last edited by KevinW4; 28th March 2010 at 09:33.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    3
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Sgt J C Kneubuhler - Baltimore Crash

    Thank you for the reply

    Sgt Kneubuhler was part of the Robinson crew lost on Oct 5 1943 but he was listed as sick on the day which ties in with his service records that state that he was admitted to hospital on Oct 3 1943. That crew took off at 07.10 hours and after RDF was lost no further info is known of their loss.

    He was flying ops on a regular basis up to Aug 28 1943 but from that time the ORB ceases to record individual flight details, I believe the Squadron was operating from several forward locations at this time and very shortly thereafter moved to India.

    The details from the family are very sketchy but he did spend 6 months in hospital and was "Mentioned in Despatches." Details remembered by the family say that they were attacked by e/a got back to friendly territory but crashed on landing the remainder of the crew being burnt in the crash.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Zelhem, Netherlands.
    Posts
    6,313
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Sgt Robinson and his crew (Gwynne, Bridgewater, Doddington) was lost over the Aegean Sea 5-10-1943 on Baltimore FA557.

    Henk.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Zelhem, Netherlands.
    Posts
    6,313
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    The GIBBON-crew was lost on Baltimore FW301.

    Henk.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    209
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Could he have been part of a crew shot down as described but earlier than the date you originally gave? His injuries/wounds may have worsened, resulting in the 6 month hospitalisation?
    They lost 2 RAF aircrew on 10th July but both recorded on Alamein Memorial, and this SAAF chap on 13th July, but can't find any other casualty, perhaps the rest of the crew also survived, just got distorted over the years?
    Name: NOTTINGHAM, HUGH WILLIAMS
    Initials: H W
    Nationality: South African
    Rank: Lieutenant (Pilot)
    Regiment/Service: South African Air Force
    Unit Text: 203 Sqdn.
    Date of Death: 13/07/1943
    Service No: 97291V
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: 7. A. 17.
    Cemetery: PHALERON WAR CEMETERY

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •