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    Default 178 Sqn losses on 14/15.4.1944

    Hi all,

    I am looking for information on two Liberators of 178 Sqn lost on Take off (?) on night 14./15.April 1944.
    One was EV825 D / 42-64130
    The second one was "R" / 42-64278 but in the code are discrepancies. Anyone can help?

    Who were the crew members of the latter one? I know names of three KIAs, but the rest is unknown to me.

    Thanks for any info

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    Peter,
    A good start for you, try www.rafb24.com

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    There seems to be only one aircraft lost on 14/4/44
    001 ATKINSON J 634551 178 SQDN 14/04/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE
    002 BASKERVILLE JB 1004452 178 SQDN 14/04/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    003 BENNETT DA 1802739 178 SQDN 14/04/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    004 BIRCH RH 1873585 178 SQDN 15/04/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    005 EVANS GH 937031 178 SQDN 14/04/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    006 HART BE 1321472 178 SQDN 14/04/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    007 MARTIN JCW 1385426 178 SQDN 14/04/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE

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    To Alan W: Never found a crew listing at that mentioned page...any suggestions ??

    To KewinW4: Thanks..these I already have...and those were two crews in fact...

    any names of those not killed on board of the second "Lib"?

    THX

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    Peter, I could only find the one reference to EV825 on the rafb24 website.
    If these casualties on the CWGC website are from 2 crews, the inference must be that the other crew members survived.

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    As far as I know...those were two crews...
    And I list Birch on other crew than the others...
    The first crew is almost complete when mentioning pilot
    Pilot Lt. H.E. Rogan (SAAF) KIA, age 28, Service NO. 209397V, Son of John and Margaret Rogan; husband of Emma Rogan, of Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa. M.A. (Cantab.).Bari War Cemetery XV. C. 7.

    Info on two planes and crews comes from book "Through darkness to light", Macdonald.
    I did not find any info on Mk VI EV920 Lib...that should be the second one...
    178 Sqn. ORB would help, but no answer from the web page you mentioned...
    I have the ORB for 205 Group. It says one a/c crashed on take off (3KIA, 2 WIA), and one A/C missing...

    regards and thanks
    Last edited by Peter Kassak; 14th April 2010 at 16:56. Reason: 205 Group ORB info added

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    Thanks for mentioning Birch was in the other crew. I had assumed he'd died of his injuries a day later.
    Throwing Rogan in as well, produces a different date for the 2nd aircraft. One lost on 14th, the other on 15th, when it went "missing".
    001 ROGAN HE 209397V 178 RAF SQDN 15/04/1944 SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE
    002 SHAW K 328351V 178 RAF 15/04/1944 SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE
    001 WISHAK M J/88962 178 RAF SQDN 15/04/1944 ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE

    would seem likely candidates for the 2nd crew, deducting the 2 KIA on 14th.....
    I've 6 casualties on 14th and 4 on 15th.... I would expect a "Missing" aircraft to lose the entire crew.... what are we missing here?
    Serial Number: EV920 Aircraft Mk & Type Mk VI Liberator Squadrons: 355 Details: Ran out of fuel and abandoned over Sunderbans, 3.8.44 would seem to rule that one out, 355 Sqdn and lost 3/8/44

    Did you mean
    Serial Number: EV820
    Aircraft Mk & Type Mk VI Liberator
    Squadrons: 178
    Details: Lost 20.4.44; NFD ?
    Last edited by KevinW4; 14th April 2010 at 18:44.

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    I do not know the serial for Shaws plane...:(
    that is why I ask...

    So first crew, crashed on take off:
    Rogan, Bennett, Hart, Martin, Atkinson, Evans, Baskerville

    Second of unknown plane:
    Shaw, Birch, Wishak...remaining two injured unknown...

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    Deduced from the Air Britain volume on the Liberator and '85 Years of the SAAF' I have the following crews: -

    EV825 - 14 Apr
    ATKINSON, JAMES Sgt 634551
    BASKERVILLE, JOHN BRIAN Sgt 1004452
    BENNETT, DENNIS ANTHONY Sgt 1802739
    EVANS, GEORGE HENRY Sgt 937031
    HART, BERNARD ERNEST Flt Sgt 1321472
    MARTIN, JOHN CHARLES WILLIAM Sgt 1385426

    EV820 - 15 Apr

    BIRCH, RAYMOND HARRY Sgt 1873585
    ROGAN, H Lt 209397V
    SHAW, K Lt 328351V
    WISHAK, MICHAEL Plt Off J/88962

    Malcolm

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    small correction here, Shaw was pilot of unknown lib, Rogan was pilot of the first, as I wrote it in my post...
    Both SAAF pilots...

    Malcolm_raf: Where did you come to EV820 to be lost on April 15?

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