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    Hi all,

    I would like to ask for explanation of one abbreviation from the 60s.

    I have a F/Lt serving in the Engineering Squadron and his dtuies are described as Mech Eng Flt.
    I suppose it might be Mechanical Engineering Flight?
    Or he was just Mechanic and CO of Engineering Flight?

    Any ideas much appreciated.

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    Hi Pavel
    Your first guess is correct - Mechanical Eng Flt, if he was the CO it would more likely be described as 'Off i/c Mech Eng Flt' or 'OC Mech Eng Flt'

    Malcolm

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    Many thanks Malcolm for confirmation!
    Yes you are right, his post is described as "'OC Mech Eng Flt'"

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    Hi all, I would like to ask for help with navy abbreviation "HMT" used as ship prefix on which RAF airmen were transported in the 50s-60s.
    I have found three possibile meanings and I would like to establish the correct one:

    His/Her Majesty Troopship
    His/Her Majesty Transport
    Hired Military Transport

    TIA

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    Pavel,
    Firstly, the first two interpretations should read His/Her Majesty's Txxxxxx (with the possessive "s"). I Believe your second alternative is the normal interpretation, that is HM Transport. Hired Military Transport I have never seen, nor do I believe it was ever used by British Commonwealth naval or military forces.

    There is also another official interpretation of HMT. viz, His/Her Majesty's Trawler, although these tended to be "hostilities only" small ships (fishing vessels) taken over from commercial firms for the duration, and fairly promptly returned to their original owners. So far as I know, there would be no way to differentiate between Transports and Trawlers should they be included in a combined list, but if they were, it would be incumbent on the list compiler to separate the two quite different types if he wished to avoid endless confusion.

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    Hi David,

    thank you for your reply and explanation.
    Yes it was my typo (the possessive "s"), luckily only here on the forum not in the list of abbreviations:)
    The second alternative is also my favorite so I will stick with it.

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    Hi Pavel

    I'm afraid I have to disagree with David on this one.

    Various sources state that HMT is officially Hired Military Transport. These vessels were crewed by civilians and therefore cannot be referred to as His or Her Majesty's xxxxx, as the use of this prefix is restricted to Royal Navy crewed vessels.

    https://sites.google.com/site/hmtships/home
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troopship
    http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-hmt...-83096825.html
    http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.co...tary+Transport
    https://darabanth.com/en/online_auct..._EK_II1325653/

    Malcolm

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    Oooops, Mlaxom thanks for your comment - seems to me I have to reassess what to use...

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    Hi Pavel

    I also used to believe HMT was Her Majesty's Troopship but was proved wrong as you see.

    Malcolm

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    Whoops! Red faces all round I see. So that is why HMT's (Trawlers, manned by Naval personnel) were the only true "His Majesty's" followed by the capital "T" without any confusion at all! We live and learn. Many thanks for clearing up that long-lived (and probably very wide-spread) myth. Incidentally, one often sees in certain official documents such expressions as "HM Submarine VOX", so can it be taken that this is not really a correct use of the official "His/Her Majesty's ship" abbreviation although admittedly it is of more use to those persons not closely associated with the vessel in question?
    David D

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