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    Default AB-IX query RCAF T-33 crash 16 July 1953

    can anybody I'd the following from ab-ix 16.07.1953 T-33, pilot A.J.H. van der Haar near Manitoba/MacDonald

    Pilot was Dutch

    many thanks

    Paul

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    These could be red herrings, but;

    Harvard II 2646 from Macdonald Category 'A' accident 16th July 1953
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    33654 F/O Allan Barton MacGregor RCAF of 1 AGS killed Langruth Range (North of Macdonald) same date.

    Maybe not connected with your man but may just open new avenues of enquiry.

    Ian Macdonald

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    Default Harvard Prang

    G'day Paul

    The only accident that shows up on the Daily Station Diary on that date was a Harvard Mk. IIA s/n 2646 and coded HU*J. While pulling out of a dive at the Langruth, Manitoba air-to-ground range, the aircraft stalled and crashed. The Harvard was from No. 1 Pilot Weapons School.

    No. 1 Air Gunnery School (No. 1 A.G.S.) was also known as No. 1 Aerial Gunnery School. For a period of time it was referred to as the Air Gunnery and Advanced Flying School. The school was re-designated as No. 1 Pilot Weapons School on the 15th of February 1953.

    The Canadair Silver Stars (T-33) had all left R.C.A.F. Station MacDonald for No. 2 Advanced Flying School at R.C.A.F. Station Portage La Prairie by the 19th of November, 1952.

    Cheers...Chris

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    Ian and Chris thanks

    I supposed it could have been another aircraft that happened to have crashed in vicinity however, the date may be wrong - I have asked the enquirer to check

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    Paul

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    Gentlemen,

    The date 16 July 1953 is correct. A.J.H. van der Haar is mentioned with that date on a RNLAF memorial stone.
    Also, his name appears in a document of the former Dutch consulate in Winnipeg, now held in the national archives at The Hague.

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    Leendert

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    Ok

    Prehaps the information has become corrupted.. I wonder if there is a T-33 accident or another accident in Manitoba on this date... Possibly Portage La Prairie?

    I wonder if two separate incidents have been confused re location and date

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    Default T-33's at Portage 1952 ???

    there were no T-33's at Portage or anywhere else. An example of equipment at the time. Course 44 (Van der Haar and mine) #4 FTS Calgary July 1952. Initial training aircraft, Harvard Mk 2 & Mk4. There were no Chipmonks or any other initial aircraft. Quite a challenge to students who hadn't even driven a car. We graduated to Portage for advanced flying, once again on Harvard Mk4. Wings were won on graduation and we proceeded to MacDonald for air to air & air to ground gunnery. Harvard Mk2's. Then to Chatham to go from Harvards to F-86s. The training received was exceptional as course 44 in two years had no accidents, not even ground loops or leaving the runway. Sadly Our first and only accident was Van der Haar.


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    G'day Pa

    The only accident that shows up on the Daily Station Diary on that date was a Harvard Mk. IIA s/n 2646 and coded HU*J. While pulling out of a dive at the Langruth, Manitoba air-to-ground range, the aircraft stalled and crashed. The Harvard was from No. 1 Pilot Weapons School.

    No. 1 Air Gunnery School (No. 1 A.G.S.) was also known as No. 1 Aerial Gunnery School. For a period of time it was referred to as the Air Gunnery and Advanced Flying School. The school was re-designated as No. 1 Pilot Weapons School on the 15th of February 1953.

    The Canadair Silver Stars (T-33) had all left R.C.A.F. Station MacDonald for No. 2 Advanced Flying School at R.C.A.F. Station Portage La Prairie by the 19th of November, 1952.

    Cheers...Chris

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    Default T-33's at Portage 1952 ???---- Cathcon

    there were no T-33's at Portage or anywhere else. An example of equipment at the time. Course 44 (Van der Haar and mine) #4 FTS Calgary July 1952. Initial training aircraft, Harvard Mk 2 & Mk4. There were no Chipmonks or any other initial aircraft. Quite a challenge to students who hadn't even driven a car. We graduated to Portage for advanced flying, once again on Harvard Mk4. Wings were won on graduation and we proceeded to MacDonald for air to air & air to ground gunnery. Harvard Mk2's. Then to Chatham to go from Harvards to F-86s. The training received was exceptional as course 44 in two years had no accidents, not even ground loops or leaving the runway. Sadly Our first and only accident was Van der Haar.


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    G'day Pa

    The only accident that shows up on the Daily Station Diary on that date was a Harvard Mk. IIA s/n 2646 and coded HU*J. While pulling out of a dive at the Langruth, Manitoba air-to-ground range, the aircraft stalled and crashed. The Harvard was from No. 1 Pilot Weapons School.

    No. 1 Air Gunnery School (No. 1 A.G.S.) was also known as No. 1 Aerial Gunnery School. For a period of time it was referred to as the Air Gunnery and Advanced Flying School. The school was re-designated as No. 1 Pilot Weapons School on the 15th of February 1953.

    The Canadair Silver Stars (T-33) had all left R.C.A.F. Station MacDonald for No. 2 Advanced Flying School at R.C.A.F. Station Portage La Prairie by the 19th of November, 1952.

    Cheers...Chris

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    Default Let's Spell It Correctly

    Cathcon, your 23rd October post; the Concise Gazeteer of Canada published by the Canadian Permanent Committee on Geographical Names spells it Macdonald, not MacDonald.
    And, yes, I know that MB is the abbreviation for Manitoba.

    Ian Macdonald

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian M Macdonald View Post
    Cathcon, your 23rd October post; the Concise Gazeteer of Canada published by the Canadian Permanent Committee on Geographical Names spells it Macdonald, not MacDonald.
    And, yes, I know that MB is the abbreviation for Manitoba.

    Ian Macdonald
    Ian, sorry about that, I thought the question was Mac or Mc. I overlooked the question of the D or d. When the spelling of your own name is questioned it can be annoying. My name is Snyder and it is common for people to spell it Synder.

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