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    Default Robert Douglas Hogarth, R.A.A.F. 425161

    Hello,

    During my last visit at Kew, I was looking for some specific PoW questionnaires in the WO344 series, and I copied a few others while I was perusing through the volumes. I copied the first page for Flying Officer Robert Douglas HOGARTH, R.A.A.F., Aus 425161. He was captured on 9th August 1944 and was a member of No. 180 Squadron. I checked in “2nd T.A.F. – volume 2”, but I failed to find his name mentioned on page 253 which covers the loss of 3 Mitchells of that unit (FW113, FW175 and FL120).

    With his name and service number, I checked the National Archives of Australia website :
    http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Items_listing.asp?S=1&F=1&O=0&T=I&C=2
    Sort order: Digitised images first Series no and control symbol Title Contents start date
    Title HOGARTH, Robert Douglas - (Flight Lieutenant); Service Number - 425161; File type - Casualty - Repatriation; Aircraft - Mitchell FW113; Place - Wo-in-Court, France; Date - 9 August 1944
    Series number
    A705 Control symbol
    166/18/430
    Contents date range
    1944 - 1960
    Access status
    Open Location
    Canberra Barcode
    1070453

    Title HOGARTH ROBERT DOUGLAS : Service Number - 425161 : Date of birth - 24 Oct 1910 : Place of birth - TOOWOOMBA QLD : Place of enlistment - BRISBANE : Next of Kin - HOGARTH BERYL
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    A9300 Control symbol
    HOGARTH R D
    Contents date range
    1939 - 1948
    Access status
    Not yet examined Location
    Canberra Barcode
    5254677

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    Incidentally, Wo-in-court is the place of capture stated in the poW questionnaire. There’s indeed a village in the Somme département named Woincourt (in one word) roughly between le Tréport and Abbeville, but this doesn’t match with the “Foret de Lyon” location stated in “2nd T.A.F.”

    I tried a google search on him and found this :
    http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-03/hogarth3.htm
    C3 Robert Douglas Hogarth, Flight Lieutenant Royal Australian Air Force, served with Royal Air Force Bomber Command, shot down and then prisoner of war, born 24 October 1910, married 2 August 1939 Beryl Marion (born 25 July 1908, died 5 July 1981) daughter of John Nicholson, and died 30 July 1998 leaving issue.

    Which confirms he was in the R.A.A.F., and that he passed away 12 years ago.

    Can someone confirm he was in Mitchell II FW113, as a fifth crew member, and in which capacity ?

    Thanks in advance

    Joss

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    Hi Joss,

    I checked the ORBs for the 180 Squadron and found the following entry: "Mitchell FW113 was seen with its starboard engine on fire, but still under control at FOUGARMONT. The crew was as follows F/O E.G. LYDER (138123) Pilot, Can. J.14642 T.C. Good Nav. B., Can. R.77823 W.O. R.G. Walker, (WO (AIR)), Can. J.26615 F/O C.M. Walkden (Air Gunner) and Aus. 425161 F/O R.D. Hogarth (Air Gunner)."

    Regards,
    G Christian Larsen
    President Pennfield Parish Military History Society
    Member of 2nd TAF Medium Bomber Association (Canadian Wing)
    Last edited by PennfieldParish; 6th June 2010 at 02:05. Reason: Additional Details

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    Joss,

    Listed in the Item Notes of Hogarth's A705 are the following airmen:

    AUS425161 F/Lt Robert Douglas HOGARTH RAAF
    138123 F/O E G F LYDER
    CAN J/14642 F/O T C GOOD RCAF
    CAN R/77823 W/O R G WALKER RCAF
    CAN J/26615 F/O C M WALKDEN RCAF

    Col.
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    Hello

    Thanks Christian and Col,

    If the ORB confirms HOGARTH's presence in Mitchell FW113, that's fine for me. I just wanted to find out whether or not he had been forgotten in "2nd TAF"'s list. I'll add this in my copy.

    Regards from sunny France.

    Joss

    PS : Col, how do you access the "item notes" ? I just can't see them anywhere in the page. I'm accessing NAA website "as a guest".
    Last edited by jossleclercq; 5th June 2010 at 12:50.

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    Joss,

    Go to selected search page (Hogarth's, in this case), click Control Symbol, scroll down, click bottom item: Item Notes.

    A word of caution. These notes contain a lot of errors, and all the names mentioned may not necessarily be on that aircraft. They might just be mentioned in the file, under some other context. Try and verify the information elsewhere, if possible.

    Col.

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    Hello

    Thanks Col for the tip. Better with someone explaining the extra bonus.

    Cheers

    Joss

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    Hello

    I'm resurrecting this old thread, as I tried to get the first name of F/O J.M. WALKDEN, R.C.A.F., service number J/26615, but came to a blank. I know that others are very successful in this game...

    I checked the WO 344 series at Kew but I couldn't find a PoW questionnaire for him. Only a couple of Walkden, but not him. In many cases, the absence of PoW questionnaires is explained by a repatriation, on medical grounds. I Wonder if this could be the case here.

    TIA

    Joss

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    J/26615 is Charles Mitchell WALKDEN R147216 commissioned to P/O wef 14th May 1943 as per the Canada Gazette of 31st July 1943

    Chris

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    Hi Joss,

    Walkden was from Winnipeg. Deceased there in 1993.

    The Winnipeg Tribune from 21 September 1944 has "Missing after air operations on August 9, F/O Charles Mitchell Walkden, is now safe in the United Kingdom, having suffered a broken leg, his father, W. Walkden, 91 Ferndale Avenue, has been advised by Ottawa"

    Regards,

    Dave

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    Hello

    Thanks Chris and Dave. Very useful.

    As the article was published in September 1944, I presume (I know, always dangerous) that his broken leg didn't make him fit for transport to a PoW camp in Germany, so when the Germans left the Abbeville area in the first days of September 1944, he was left in the hospital where the Liberation armies found him.

    I've just checked the Squadron ORB for September 1944 and indeed it mentions that he was left behind, but not in the Abbeville area, in Brussels hospital, and transferred to Bramshott hospital.

    Regards

    Joss
    Last edited by jossleclercq; 18th January 2020 at 18:07.

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