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    Hello All,

    Martinet HP380 collided with Blenheim N3536 and spun into the sea on 25.07.43. I have the pilot as being P/O AGAR, Anthony (155751) of Canadian descent but could the TTO have been DEXTER, Richard Eric (1323160)? I cannot seem to locate many names that could tie into this incident but the AM1180 indicates two missing airman from the Martinet.

    Any help appreciated.

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    Hi Tim

    Dexter is listed as belonging to 1 (O) AFU and is therefore a candidate for Anson, N5272 together with Flt Sgt MORRIS, HERBERT JUNIOR R/109537 and Plt Off PHILLIPS, LEONARD GEORGE 151364.

    Do you know the location of the Martinet crash?

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    is RCAF F/Sgt Herbert J Morris R/109537 the man? On Runnymede for his date, panel 185. His Ontario death cert just says he was a pilot and expected dead from flying accident.

    Agar is listed alone in the Casualty Communication found in Fligth archvies. Oct 7th 1943 magazine.

    There are no RAF names in the KOAS list that match that date.
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    'They Shall Grow Not Old' (Allison) page 538 has MORRIS on Anson N5272. I've an unconfirmed source that also AGAR was on same aircraft.
    N5272 presumed ditched 2 miles off Stranrear, Wigtownshire; HP380 spun into sea 14 miles E of Caldy Island, Pembrokeshire. Blenheim N3536 probably involved in the incident with the Martinet was not a write-off.
    What were the places of death registration for AGAR, MORRIS, DEXTER and PHILLIPS ?
    Still have many aurmen for this date unaccounted for in my files, f.i.:
    LAC R.W. CASTELL - 1152895 - not found Flight Global;
    Sgt (WOp/Ag) N. DARBY - 1401887 - KOAS;
    LAC T.H.A. DAVIES - 974475 - not found Flight Global;
    AC1 J. HENDRICK - 1076683 - KOAS;
    Cpl J.F. MINSON - 844532 - not found Flight Global;
    Sgt (Pilot) W.S. NEILLY - 778929 - not found Flight Global, and
    Sgt (Bombaimer) R.McD. RONALSON - 1046940 - not found Flight Global.
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    Forgot to mention what Allison has in the biography of F/Sgt (Pilot) Herbert Junior MORRIS - R/109537, from Windsor, Ontario: "Anson aircraft N5272 lost off Stranrear, Scotland. Four airmen, not Canadians, missing believed killed."

    Henk.

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    LAC R.W. CASTELL - 1152895 - ... DOAS in Fligth oct 7th magazine - Registered St Neots
    LAC T.H.A. DAVIES - 974475 - not found Flight Global; Haverfordwest district, Pembrokeshire
    AC1 J. HENDRICK - 1076683 - KOAS; Pembroke, Pembrokeshire (no apparent connection to Davies)
    Cpl J.F. MINSON - 844532 - not found Flight Global; Surrey mid east district

    Sgt (Pilot) W.S. NEILLY - 778929 - not found Flight Global, Not in EngWals, buried Scotland, from Rhodesia, no middle initial, not in Scotland either
    Sgt (Bombaimer) R.McD. RONALDSON - 1046940 - not found Flight Global. Buried Scotland, not registered in Scotland ?
    Sgt (WOp/Ag) N. DARBY - 1401887 - KOAS; Not in EngWals, not in Scotland

    Agar is listed twice in Cas Comm's the last one presuming his death on active service so he will not have a death registration as his body was not offically found, hence on Runnymede.
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    Dennis,
    What were the places of death registration for L.J. Morris, L.G. Phillips and R.E. Dexter, casualties on the Anson N5272 of 1 (O)AFU.

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    Henk,

    The following was mentioned on the old "RAF Operations in Galloway" site (now defunct):

    RAF WIGTOWN (BALDOON)
    No.1 Air Observer School. Later No.1 Advanced (Observer) Flying Unit 1-3.
    Includes Bombing & Gunnery School 2 & 3.

    Avro Anson

    Serial: N5272
    Unit: 612/1 OTU/1 AOS/1 OAFU
    Date: 24-7-43
    Remarks: Missing. Presumed to have ditched off the Galloway coast. Sgt Morris, Sgt Darby. Pilot and four crew missing, presumed dead. Sgt Darby's body was eventually recovered from the sea off Portpatrick on 14-8-1943.

    Col.
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    Col,
    "Pilot and four crew missing" = five = MORRIS, DARBY, PHILLIPS, DEXTER and AGAR (?). Let's wait for their death registrations.

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    I've tried some of the names in Soctland and EngWal but as you'll remember, when the body is not found it will not be registered. All these men except Darby are on Runnymede with medium panel numbers.

    There are no male Dexters in 1943 or 1944 for Scotland.

    Douglas is probably the best person to check these as he has some credits on the scotlandspeople site.

    PREVIOUSLY REPORTED MISSING, NOW PRESUMED KILLED ON ACTIVE SERVICE.—Sgt. R. E. Dexter; P/O. L G. Phillips
    this was printed sometime early in 1944. No death registration.

    N Darby gets a KOAS listing as his body was found. No mention of being missing or presumed anything.

    As I stated above, Agar was presuemd dead in the second mention. Hence no death registration.
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