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    Default 415 Squadron loss on 12/13th july 1944.

    Hello,

    On the 12/13th July 1944 the aircrew of a 415 Squadron aircraft were all lost.
    Any info on the type of aircraft, its serial number and Codes is welcome.

    Many thanks
    Alex

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    Hi Alex

    From TSGNO I suspect it is Wellington, MF494.

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    Hello,

    Although not an answer to Alex' question, No. 415 Squadron had one flight on Wellingtons, the other on Albacores. On 19th July 1944 the Albacore flight formed the nucleus of a new 119 Squadron. Squadron code was NH but it seems the plane only carried the individual letter.

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    You don't list the crew, but
    001 CRAWLEY EG J/90002 415 SQDN 13/07/1944 ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE
    002 FINDLAY LE J/89738 415 SQDN 13/07/1944 ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE
    003 HARMAN RL J/8438 415 SQDN 13/07/1944 ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE
    004 HUISH GK J/87891 415 SQDN 13/07/1944 ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE
    005 VANNIER JJR J/89739 415 SQDN 13/07/1944 ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE
    001 HANDS J 1390983 415 SQDN 13/07/1944 ROYAL AIR FORCE VOLUNTEER RESERVE
    which I assume tallies with a Wellington crew. All on Runnymede. Any claims by fighters, flak etc for the loss?

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    Hi Alex ad Kevin

    TSGNO confirms the RCAF members as : -
    CRAWLEY, EDWARD GEORGE Plt Off J/90002
    FINDLAY, LLOYD EBY Plt Off J/89738
    HARMAN, ROBERT LEONARD Flt Lt J/8438
    HUISH, GORDON KEITH Plt Off J/87891
    VANNIER, JOSEPH JACQUES RODOLPH Plt Off J/89739
    SHEEN, ROBERT JORDAN Fg Off J/12823

    I assume this airman was also on board: -

    HANDS, JOHN Flt Sgt 1390983

    Malcolm

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    Hello Malcolm_raf, Joss and Kevin,

    many thanks for the info you have all given me.
    The names of these seven men I had but could not match them to any Halifax loss with 415. Wellington MF494 of 415 fits the date.

    Many thanks
    Alex

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    Hi, I am new to this forum and hope someone can help with information.

    F/Sgt John Hands from the list of aircrew below was my great grandmothers nephew. Some years ago my grandfather said 'Jack (John) was shot down during the war', this was all he knew. I have a copy of the death cert, but cause of death 'Air Operations' is not very informative. I have not researched Air Force personnel before so any help or advice would be most welcome.

    What does TSGNO stand for?

    Many thanks

    Andrew

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    My notes list Wellington MF494 lost on that date, no other 415 Squadron losses that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewB View Post
    Hi, I am new to this forum and hope someone can help with information.

    F/Sgt John Hands from the list of aircrew below was my great grandmothers nephew. Some years ago my grandfather said 'Jack (John) was shot down during the war', this was all he knew. I have a copy of the death cert, but cause of death 'Air Operations' is not very informative. I have not researched Air Force personnel before so any help or advice would be most welcome.

    What does TSGNO stand for?

    Many thanks

    Andrew
    There *might* be some information in the squadron history listed here:

    http://www.canmilair.com/sqnhistories.htm

    Sometimes though there's not much detail in those histories. Best bet might be if you can get a glimpse at (or link up with someone who can get a glimpse at) the Squadron Operations Record Book. I think there's a copy in the U.K. National Archives, might be a copy in Ottawa, though Canadian records aren't my strong point.


    Edit - There is, to my surprise, a Luftwaffe night-fighter claim for a Wellington off Ameland at 02.03 hours (German time), shot down into the sea from an altitude of 400m by Uffz. Wilsch of 7./NJG 1. HOWEVER - there's no guaranteeing that it's the Wellington you're interested in without seeing the squadron documents re: area of operations for that night.
    Last edited by mhuxt; 16th September 2010 at 03:44.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewB View Post
    What does TSGNO stand for?

    Andrew
    Hello Andrew

    It stands for "They Shall Grow Not Old", a book by Les Allison. Shorter this way.

    Joss

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