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    I was just looking something up on the Kirkby Malzeard website and had a look at their pages about WWII. They have a story about an aircraft that crashed near there, just thought someone might like to look it up in their references and pass on the information to them (there is an EMail on the website), thouigh there mighgt not be sufficient information.

    http://www.kirkbymalzeard.com/history/world_war_additional.html

    "Story two, tragedy of a Canadian plane crash"

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    Checking with this site:
    http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/index.html

    I'd expect deaths to be registered in the Ripon district and there are the following names in the GRO Index 1944 index and the correpsonding names from CWGC 23 September 1944
    All buried in Harrogate Stonefall cemetery.

    Index: Claudien P Desserline - CWGC: Sgt DESSERTINE, CLAUDIEN PAUL JOSEPH Grave E/E/8
    Index: Clement J A Duhamel- CWGC: F/Sgt DUHAMEL, JOSEPH ALPHONSE CLEMENT Grave E/E/9
    Index: Edgar A Robitaille - CWGC: F/O ROBITAILLE, EDGAR ALBERT Grave E/E/11
    Index: Joseph P A Vigneault - CWGC: Sgt VIGNEAULT, JOSEPH PHILOROME AMBROISE Grave E/E/10
    Index: Stanley Darlington - CWGC: Sgt DARLINGTON, STANLEY buried elsewhere (RAF)


    Thats only five names and they have no unit listed on CWGC.

    or I could read the site and see they mention 10 March 1943..... never mind.

    The 10 March 1943 men were registered in Wensleydale district.
    F/Sgt Aitken, Sgt Clarke, F/Sgt Greengrass, Sgt McGinn, F/O McLAUGHLIN F/O Shives, F/Sgt Taylor, etc etc

    As the CWGC site states, "After 1943 most of the airmen who died in this district were buried in the regional cemetery at Harrogate."

    Kirkby Malzeard is specifically listed in Ripon district.
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    The first four were RCAF (on the headstone) - 785 Air Force war graves in Harrogate (Stonefall) Cemetery with 665 Canadians.
    Darlington was RAFVR

    F/Sgt Aitken, Sgt Clarke, F/Sgt Greengrass, Sgt McGinn, F/O McLAUGHLIN F/O Shives, F/Sgt Taylor are all RCAF and buried in Ripon - also F/Sgt Leckie.

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    Hi chaps, with respect I think you have got your locations and incidents crossed. None of those that have been already mentioned were the actual accident that occured at Kirkby Malzeard.

    Those named below (Desserline, Duhamel, Robitaille, Vigneault & Darlington) were on board Halifax DK143 that crashed near Skelton on Ure on 23/9/44. Skelton is SE of Ripon where as Kirby is North.

    F/Sgt Aitken, Sgt Clarke, F/Sgt Greengrass, Sgt McGinn, F/O McLAUGHLIN F/O Shives, F/Sgt Taylor were in Halifax W1241 that crashed at Leeming. Again not the incident spoke refered to on the Kirkby website.

    The correct incident was to Halifax JP204, on 2nd October 1944, 1664 HCU based at Dishforth. Pilot - F/O H J Hamblin RCAF, Sgt G F Cumming RCAF, F/Sgt R Smith RCAF, P/O C J Hogan RCAF and F/Sgt E W Reid RCAF killed. Three other crew members were injured after baling out at low level.

    Source on all counts - W R Chorley Bomber Command losses books.

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    They are registered in Ripon district.

    Thanks Rich.
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    Dennis, good stuff,

    No problem, regards Rich

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    Hello gentlemen,

    Take a look at the Ripon Cemetery (CWGC). I've noticed one RCAF airmen, who died on 10/3 1944. So probably you will find more.

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    Hi, the five crew of JP204 who died are buried in Harrogate Stonefall Cemetery, Yorkshire.

    By this stage in the War the local cemeteries in North Yorkshire had stopped burying non-local airmen almost certainly one reason being they were not big enough to cope with the large numbers which resulted in the latter half of the war.

    Ripon would have been the nearest cemetery to the crash site used in the first half of the War for burying air-casualties, however because Ripon was no longer used for this in 1944 they were taken to Harrogate and buried with their countrymen.

    regards Rich

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    "F/Sgt Aitken, Sgt Clarke, F/Sgt Greengrass, Sgt McGinn, F/O McLAUGHLIN F/O Shives, F/Sgt Taylor were in Halifax W1241 that crashed at Leeming."

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    + F/Sgt Albert Wordie Leckie, R/139393, RCAF, 1659 HCU. An American from Folkston, Georgia.

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