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    Hello

    New to this forum, and my request is maybe not what you are used to... Anyway, after looking trough some threads here, I`m convinced someone here will be able to help me out!

    I live close to a former German coastal battery in South western Norway, just a few kilometers north of Stavanger & Sola airport. Via NARA & BAMA I`ve ordered a lot of German documents, so called "Kriegstagbuche" or KTB for those who are familiar with German sources. In short these are official "war diaries" made by various German navy & army staffs operating in my district. Most RAF attacks, especially against shipping, are quite good documentated in these files, but the problem I`m facing is that the Germans (of course) hardly never knew which aircrafts from which squadrons they were attacked by.

    So - Back to the coastal battery, I`ve found two entries where this battery claimed to have downed aircrafts. My hope is that someone will be able to track if the Germans are correct in their reporting, and not least details about the airplanes and their crew!
    In return, I will add the German side of the story here in case there are unknown details:

    First entry (Roughly translated from German KTB)
    "20 April 1942, 18:47 hours"
    Two Vorpostenboote from Hafenschützflottillie Stavanger (NS08 & NS05) attacked by a Hudson at low level near Sveinane lighthouse. NS08 strafed by machinegunfire, no bombs dropped. Both ships and the coastal battery nearby opened fire with AA guns and brought the plane down in the sea. NS08 picked up one dead RAF crewmember, a parachute, one airbottle and an inflateable raft."


    Second entry seems to be a little more confusing and I`m quite sure this is a double claim on the same aircraft by two different units & a mix-up with the type:

    (Roughly translated from German KTB)
    "11 December 1942, 13:22 hours"
    Single Hampden-Hereford attacked convoy lead by NS26 (with freighters Felix, Irmtraud Cords & Kyphiasia) Between the island Karmøy - Sveinane lighthouse.
    All ships opened fire and the plane broke off its first attack, but at a second run, two torpedoes were launched against the freighter Kyphiasia without hitting. As the plane passed the escort NS26 several hits were observed in the fuselage and the plane caught fire. shortly afterwards, the plane ditched in the sea south of the island Eime. NS26 picked up two british airmen + some maps and papers.
    "11 December 1942, 13:25 hours"
    Coastal battery Fjölöy reported two british aircrafts passing by, supposedly Bristol-Blenheim. Battery opened fire with 2cm Flak and shortly afterwards, one of the planes went down in the sea just south of the island Eime.
    (My comment: -Seems like both NS26 and the coastal battery claimed the same aircraft, as both report to see it dich at the same location with just minutes between)

    Best regards from Norway
    Erik E
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    First aircraft Hudson AM810

    Failed to return from a sortie off Norway. F/Sgt Wilson rests in Sola Churchyard, Norway, while the others are all commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.


    Second claims same aircaft, Hampden P2078

    Set off in company for a mission to Egero, Norway. At 13:09 hrs the aircraft was last seen by S/455 to turn to port towards the Norwegian coast in fog. F/O Edgoose and Sgt Crossley have no known graves and are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

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    Thanks Ross, very helpful!

    Rgds
    Erik E

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    Hi,

    Re: Hampden P2078.

    11-12-1942
    No.455 Sqn RAAF
    Hampden TB.1 P2078/'P'

    Airborne Leuchars 1050hrs to patrol Norwegian coast, north of Egero. Hit by flak which damaged port wing and set petrol tank alight, causing aircraft to turn on its back and crash into the sea.

    AUS403583 P/O (Pilot) Geoffrey Ian GUNTON RAAF PoW (Camp L3/PoW No.83)
    AUS404814 P/O (Nav.) Tom Alfred EDGOOSE RAAF +
    AUS402779 Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Douglas Frederick THOMAS RAAF PoW (Camp L3/PoW No.27321)
    AUS404633 Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Arnold Erol CROSSLEY RAAF +

    See also:

    http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/RC09125.009

    Click Display Reference images [PDF]. Go to p.32 of 78

    Col.
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    Hi Erik,

    just following on from Col's details if you go to the Australian Archives website
    http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx

    click on search now and then enter 404814 or 402779 into the search box and you will find the repatriation and casualty file available to read online for Sgt Thomas and P/O Edgoose.


    Hope it is of interest.

    Cheers, Tom

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    Erik,
    are you able to find the rest of the crew names for Hudson AM810, You can find unit details etc? If you need a help, let us know.

    Dennis
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    Hi,

    Ross has already provided us with the facts from his draft for CCL2.

    20-4-1942
    No.608 Sqn
    Hudson V AM810 UL-F
    Op: South Bert Patrol, RAF Wick 16:16 hrs.

    Failed to return from a sortie off Norway.

    66505 P/O John Ernest WARDMAN MID RAFVR +
    1184009 F/Sgt (Pilot) David Robert WILSON RAFVR +
    1061950 Sgt Douglas Frederick WILLIAMS RAFVR +
    1179049 Sgt Laurence D'Arcy WALKER RAFVR +

    Wardman, Williams and Walker are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial. Wilson rests in Sola Churchyard.

    Col.
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    hi all

    my name is tom gunton i'am g.i.gunton's grandson, i was planning an expedition to norway to find my grandfathers plane and dive on the aircraft and document the site and most likely the respected grave sites of the two airmen that didnt get out. any help in narrowing a search radius or helping me pin point its location or advice is greatly appreciated.
    my email is tgunton@live.com.au and i will try check the blog regulary aswell.

    cheers

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    Hi there. The pilot of flight AM810 UL-F, David Wilson, was my Great Uncle (I assume he was the dead pilot who was brought ashore). I would really like to know more about that flight and his service in WW2.

    What is CCL2? Where would I find out more about squadron 608, and what the purpose of the mission he was killed was ?


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