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    Hi , please can i ask if anyone can help with this one .
    a local war Memorial list the name of a A HUGH BRYSON , WHO died in the second world war . alledged to be serving with the RAF and killed during a training flt.
    after searching the CWGC site two names caame up.
    F/SGT 1344005 HUGH DOUGLAS BRYSON RAF KILLED 23/7/43 , BURIED RUTHERGLEN.
    F/SGT 1315187 HUGH FERGUSON BRYSON RAF KILLED 2/11/43 458 SQD, FROM NORFOLK
    BUT IS LISTED ON THE MALTA MEMORIAL.

    HIS FATHER WAS SAID TO BE A LAND AGENT IN RADNORSHIRE AREA .

    CAN ANY ONE HELP IF IT WAS ANY OF THESE TWO MEN WHO WERE NOT LOCAL WHY IS Hugh Bryson remembered on a local war memorial ?
    thanking anyone in advance for any help or words of wisdom

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    Phill

    Hugh Douglas Bryson was killed when TM T6498 SIG at Westlinton, Cumberland. As you say, he was born in Rutherglen, Lanark in 1921. If his family were living and working in Radnorshire, then no doubt that would be considered to be his home.

    Hugh Ferguson Bryson was born in Pewsey, Wilts, also in 1921. At the time in question 458S was based at Protville (Tunisia?). Others will no doubt be able to fill in the details for you.

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    Hi Phill,

    I can tell you that 1315187 F/Sgt Hugh Ferguson Bryson RAFVR, did not die on any training flight.

    2-11-1943
    No.458 Sqn RAAF
    Wellington XIII HZ874

    Took off Sidi Amor 0236 on an anti-sub patrol. At 1716 the starboard engine caught fire. At 1718 the aircraft ditched with the 2nd pilot (Bryson), at the controls. The aircraft immediately broke up and sank. The Captain (Howie), was knocked unconscious and drowned, the 2nd pilot is missing. The four other members of the crew escaped with minor injuries and shock, and were picked up at 0740 by a whaler from the destroyer, HMS Blakeney, and landed at Bizerta. The whaler also recovered the body of F/O Howie.

    AUS405312 F/O (Capt./1st Pilot) Douglas Gordon HOWIE RAAF +
    1315187 Sgt (2nd Pilot) Hugh Ferguson BRYSON RAFVR +
    AUS409474 F/O (Nav.) Jack GUTHRIE RAAF - Rescued
    AUS401395 F/Sgt (S.E.Op.) John Robert RAMSAY RAAF - Rescued
    R/117650 WO (W.Op./Air Gnr.) W J M BRADY RCAF - Rescued
    AUS400758 F/Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Frederick John Nelson MORRIS RAAF - Rescued

    Howie is buried in Massicault War Cemetery,Tunisia. Bryson is commemorated on the Malta Memorial.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 7th August 2010 at 16:09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill jones View Post
    Hi , please can i ask if anyone can help with this one .
    a local war Memorial list the name of a A HUGH BRYSON , WHO died in the second world war . alledged to be serving with the RAF and killed during a training flt.
    after searching the CWGC site two names caame up.
    F/SGT 1344005 HUGH DOUGLAS BRYSON RAF KILLED 23/7/43 , BURIED RUTHERGLEN.
    F/SGT 1315187 HUGH FERGUSON BRYSON RAF KILLED 2/11/43 458 SQD, FROM NORFOLK
    BUT IS LISTED ON THE MALTA MEMORIAL.

    HIS FATHER WAS SAID TO BE A LAND AGENT IN RADNORSHIRE AREA .

    CAN ANY ONE HELP IF IT WAS ANY OF THESE TWO MEN WHO WERE NOT LOCAL WHY IS Hugh Bryson remembered on a local war memorial ?
    thanking anyone in advance for any help or words of wisdom
    Phill

    The CWGC site has Hugh Douglas Bryson being buried in Rutherglen Cemetery and he was the son of William and Margaret Bryson of Rutherglen. There is no mention of Radnorshire. Therefore, I would assume his name is recorded on the Cenotaph in Rutherglen.

    If you look at www.roll-of-honour.com/lanarkshire/rutherglen, it records a Sgt. Pilot D Bryson. Whether this is the same person, I am not sure but the balance of probability would indicate that it is.


    Douglas
    Last edited by Theletterwriter; 7th August 2010 at 16:26. Reason: Additional information

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    Phil,

    The first question to ask is "Who alleges he was serving in the RAF and was killed n a training flight"? Surely that person has to be your first port of call.

    Secondly; "Which local war memorial?" Assuming it's in a town have you tried the local school - many have a Roll of Honour on display.

    Thirdly; how do you know his father was a Land Agent? Again that source ought to provide a clue.

    Seems all a bit vague to me.

    Brian

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