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    Default 3 x RNZAF KIA - info sought

    Hi,
    A work colleague of mine mentioned that 2 of his wifes relatives and one of his were killed during WW2 with the RNZAF. I have found some information on the net but can anybody supply any info on their RNZAF service or identify the night fighter that shot one of them down?

    41617 Sgt William James Anderson KIA 16/17th Sept 1942, Tgt Essen
    7 Sqn, Stirling W7569 MG-D

    417016 P/O Edgar Lawrence Burke KIA 22/23rd May 1944, Tgt Dortmund
    75 Sqn, Lancaster ME690 AA-Z

    424777 F/Sgt John Fitzgerald, KIA 29/30th Aug 1944, Tgt Stettin
    75 Sqn, Lancaster HK594, AA-G

    Any info would be much appreicated,
    Thanks in advance,
    Rick
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    Rick,

    Firstly, please see the moderator's sticky re the disreputable 'lost bombers' site.

    Now, re Anderson:

    From my trilogy 'For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume One: Fates 1915-1942)':

    Wed 16/Thu 17 Sep 1942
    Bomber Command

    Raid on Essen, Germany (by 369 aircraft - 41 lost) ...

    7 Squadron, RAF (Oakington, Cambridgeshire - [PFF] 3 Group)
    Stirling I W7569/D - took off at 2005 on same raid as the above, and believed to have been damaged by flak before falling into the Ijsselmeer. All seven crew died, their bodies later washing ashore or being recovered from the water. The New Zealanders are buried at Lemmer and the others at Amsterdam.
    Captain: NZ411377 Plt Off Ben DALLENGER, RNZAF - Age 23. 458hrs. 11th op.
    Navigator: NZ41540 Flt Sgt Donald Trevor LAMB, RNZAF - Age 20. 294hrs. 5th op.
    WOpAG: NZ411741 Sgt Ronald Hugh CRABTREE, RNZAF - Age 24. 215hrs. 9th op.
    WOpAG: NZ41617 Sgt William James ANDERSON, RNZAF - Age 23. 160hrs.
    Rear Gunner: NZ404547 Sgt Harry Oldfield GODDARD, RNZAF - Age 27. 187hrs. 5th op.

    And from Vol Three (Biographies & Appendices):
    ANDERSON, Sergeant William James.
    NZ41617; b New Brighton 16 Oct 18; Chch THS; welder/cutter - Booth MacDonald & Co, Chch. RNZAF Levin/ITW as Air Gunner u/t 19 Jan 41, emb for Canada 27 Feb 41, att RCAF 16 Mar 41, 3WS 19 Mar 41 [hosp 24 Jun-7 Jul], 6BGS 4 Aug 41, Air Gunners Badge & remust as Wireless Operator/Air Gunner & Sgt 1 Sep 41, by Stranraer flying boat from Ottawa to Halifax 4 Sep 41, 1 Y Depôt 8 Sep 41, att RAF & emb for UK 18 Sep 41, 3PRC 28 Sep 41, 2SS 10 Oct 41, 11OTU (Wellington) 25 Nov 41, 7CF (Stirling) 21 Jul 42, 7 Sqn (Stirling - 5 ops) 27 Aug 42, kao 17 Sep 42. Lemsterland (Lemmer) General Cemetery - C.9.243, Friesland, Netherlands. Son of William Stevenson & Catherine Strath Anderson (née McArthur), Harewood, Chch. [phot. TWN 6.1.43].


    Re Burke:

    From Vol Two (Fates: 1943-1998):

    Mon 22/Tue 23 May 1944
    BOMBER COMMAND

    Raid on Dortmund, Germany (by 361 Lancasters & 14 Mosquitoes - 19 lost)
    75 (NZ) Squadron, RAF (Mepal, Cambridgeshire - 3 Group)
    Lancaster I ME690/Z - took off at 2249 and shot down by a night-fighter over Belgium, disintegrating in mid-air. The wreckage fell over a wide area north and south of the Maas and Schelde Canal, and 2km east of the Eindhoven-Hasselt road near Neerpelt. The bodies of the captain and two others were found near the main wreckage and buried on the 25th at St Trond airfield. Their four comrades were recovered later, three being buried at Neerpelt and the fourth at Overpelt. All seven were later reinterred at Heverlee, near Louvain.
    Captain: NZ417016 Plt Off Edgar Lawrence BURKE, RNZAF - Age 26. 608hrs.

    And Vol Three:

    BURKE, Pilot Officer Edgar Lawrence.
    NZ417016; b Manaia 10 Mar 18; Manaia Convent; dairy farmer - father's farm at Manaia. RNZAF Levin/ITW as Airman Pilot u/t 20 Dec 41, 2EFTS 4 Apr 42, 1st solo 22 Apr 42, 1SFTS 13 Jun 42, Pilots Badge [wef 2.9.42] & Sgt 28 Nov 42, att RAF & emb for UK 17 Jan 43, 11PD&RC 21 Feb 43 [att Whitley Bay for cse 24 Mar-21 Apr], 15(P)AFU 11 May 43 [att 1BAS 9-13 Jun], 11OTU (Wellington) 13 [18?] Jul 43, 1678HCU (Lancaster) 30 Sep 43 [did not fly at; cancelled?], 31 Base for 1651HCU (Stirling) by 8 Oct 43, 75(NZ)Sqn (Stirling - 13 ops, Lancaster - 7 ops) 9 Nov 43 [RAF Hosp Ely 1-18 Mar 44, att 3LFS (Lancaster) 2-7 Apr], Comm 23 Jan 44, kao 23 May 44. Heverlee War Cemetery - 6.C.2, Louvain, Brabant, Belgium. Son of Charles Augustine & Tillie May Burke (née Gadsby), Manaia. [OHT2 & phot. TWN 30.8.44].

    Re Fitzgerald:

    Vol Two:

    Tue 29/Wed 30 Aug 1944
    BOMBER COMMAND

    Raid on Stettin, Germany (by 402 Lancasters & 1 Mosquito - 24 lost)
    75 (NZ) Squadron, RAF (Mepal, Cambridgeshire - 3 Group)
    Lancaster I HK594/G - took off at 2115 captained by Flt Sgt D A S King, RAF, and shot down near Sweden. The seven crew baled out over the Swedish coast SE of Kristianstad, most or all of them being lost in the sea as the bomber flew on to crash near Svensköp, about 30km SW of Kristianstad. Interned by the Swedish authorities, only the badly injured captain survived. The two RAF air gunners and wireless operator are buried at Hälsingborg, while the other three who died are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.
    Navigator: NZ428918 Flt Sgt Walter Davis WATSON, RNZAF - Age 30. 330hrs. 7th op.
    Air Bomber: NZ424777 Flt Sgt John FITZGERALD, RNZAF - Age 23. 386hrs. 6th op.

    Vol Three:

    FITZGERALD, Flight Sergeant John.
    NZ424777; b Balclutha 7 May 21; King Edward TColl, Dunedin; carpenter - Love Construction Co, Dunedin. RNZAF Woodbourne as Aircrafthand (AMD) 7 May 42, remust as Airman Pilot u/t 3 Sep 42, ITW 4 Sep 42, remust as Air Observer u/t 15 Oct 42, emb for Canada 24 Dec 42, att RCAF 7 Jan 43, 3 M Depôt 11 Jan 43, 5AOS 25 Jan 43,
    2 M Depôt 6 Apr 43, 7BGS 1 May 43, remust as Air Bomber u/t 30 May 43, 5AOS 24 Jul 43, Air Bombers Badge & Sgt 3 Sep 43, 1 Y Depôt 14 Sep 43, att RAF & train to New York for emb for UK 8 Oct 43, 12PD&RC 17 Oct 43, 9(O)AFU 16 Nov 43, 11OTU (Wellington) 11 Jan 44, 31 Base for 1657HCU (Stirling) 9 Jun 44, 3LFS (Lancaster) late Jul 44, 75(NZ)Sqn (Lancaster - 6 ops) 8 Aug 44, kao 30 Aug 44. Runnymede Memorial - Panel 264. Son of James & Margaret Woodburn Fitzgerald (née Gorney), Port Chalmers. [phot. TWN 15.11.44].

    Abreviations explained and further information appears in Vol Three.

    Errol

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    Errol,

    that is excellent information, my mate will be chuffed to bits...

    Very many thanks,
    Rick

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    Hi Rick,

    7 Sqn Stirling according to Chorley was most likly shot down by Flak and crashed in the IJsselmeer.

    75 Sqn aircraft lost on the raid on Dortmund according to Theo Boiten.s book on nightfighter kills was shot down by Oblt Werner Baake from 2./NJG1 and crashed at S W Neerpelt at 01.14 or Oblt H-Wolfgang Schnaufer of StabIV./NJG1 near Neerpelt at 01.23.

    75 Sqn aircraft lost on the attack on Stettin was shot down by Oblt Wener Husemann of Stab 1./NJG3 and crashed at N. Ystad.

    I hope that helps.

    Regards,

    John.

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    Hi Rick, I came across this forum when I googled E Burke 75 Squadron. He was the pilot of my mother's cousin Alan Stevens Bromley who was the WOP in his crew. Alan and my mother were born within 6 day's of each other and essentially grew up together. Alan joined the RAF and my mother the WAAF's, she is now 90 years old. She never knew fully what happened to the aircraft and crew and was really pleased and grateful, after all the years, to know as a result of so much information being available thro' the 'net. Do you know if a crew photograph exists? we would be pleased in have a copy if it does.
    Thank you to all the contributors in your thread.
    My regards, Ray (pm8178)

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    Welcome to the forum Ray from an obsessive 75 (NZ) Sqn follower... Have sent you the details for the Sqn Assn.

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    Ray,

    I cannot assist with a crew photo but a small head and shoulders photo of Burke appeared in New Zealand's 'The Weekly News' of 30 Aug 1944 (illustrated page 24). The RNZAF Museum can supply a scan of the photo for a small fee. The may also have access to another of him via a course photo. Their contact email is info@airforcemusuem.co.nz

    Errol

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    I cannot assist with a crew photo but a small head and shoulders photo of Burke appeared in New Zealand's 'The Weekly News' of 30 Aug 1944 (illustrated page 24). The RNZAF Museum can supply a scan of the photo for a small fee. The may also have access to another of him via a course photo. Their contact email is info@airforcemusuem.co.nz


    Many thanks, I'll follow this up. Ray

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    I have a photo of the original crew of Edgar Burke. My uncle, Alfred Newnham, was the rear gunner. He was killed in action on the 13/14 March 1944 off St Nazaire mine laying with another crew. He had taken the place of a Canadian who had gone sick. I'm the chairman of The Friends of 75 (NZ) Squadron Association. Our secretary is Margaret Still, the niece of Edgar Burke. Please contact me at kevinfking@talktalk.net.

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    Default Re ME690/Z crew details and photos.

    Hi
    Im a relative of a ME690 crew member (Pilot Edgar Burke from New Zealand was my Great Uncle) and Ive been researching and collating as much info as I can on his crew as I am putting together a framed poster of him for our family.
    I have come up with a detailed 23rd May 1944 crew list (something I have been unable to locate online) using info from various websites.
    I have photos of the crew taken in December 1943 kindly supplied by Kevin King and I have added colour, matching the uniforms to museum photos of existing jackets and badges. I also have photos of Edgar's logbook and newspaper articles and anyone wanting copies can contact me via email.
    Id be keen to see if any of the other crew members families may have photos of the crew in 1943-44. my email is fuji321@hotmail.com if you have any additional information on any of the crew.

    Regards
    Duane Hart
    Redcliffe Queensland Australia

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    BOMBER COMMAND:
    Raid on Dortmund, Germany (by 361 Lancasters & 14 Mosquitoes - 19 lost)
    75 (NZ) Squadron, RAF (Mepal, Cambridgeshire - 3 Group)
    Lancaster I ME690/Z - took off at 2249 and shot down by a night-fighter over Belgium, disintegrating in mid-air. The wreckage fell over a wide area north and south of the Maas and Schelde Canal, and 2km east of the Eindhoven-Hasselt road near Neerpelt. The bodies of the captain and two others were found near the main wreckage and buried on the 25th at St Trond airfield. Their four comrades were recovered later, three being buried at Neerpelt and the fourth at Overpelt. All seven were later reinterred at Heverlee, near Louvain.
    Captain: NZ417016 Plt Off Edgar Lawrence BURKE, RNZAF - Age 26. 608hrs.
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    Crew:
    Navigation Flying Officer - John Wallace Downing - Flying Officer 136351 Age 33 - Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve - Coll. grave 6. C. 6.
    Son of Wallace Downing, and of Beatrice Downing, of Elmfield, Ryde, Isle of Wight; husband of Esdale Downing. Journalist.

    Pilot Officer - Edgar Burke - Pilot 417016 - Age 26- Royal New Zealand Air Force - Coll. grave 6. C. 2.
    Son of Charles Augustine and Tillie May Burke, of Manaia, Taranaki, New Zealand.

    Wireless Operator - Alan Stevens Bromley - Flight Sergeant 1247614 - Radio Operator (Air) - Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve - London UK - Coll. grave 6. C. 3-5.

    Flight Engineer - Walter Pickering - Sergeant 1434290 - Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve - Coll. grave 6. C. 1.

    Bomb Aimer - Frank Albert Page - Warrant Officer 409481 - Age 29 - Royal Australian Air Force - Victoria Australia - Coll. grave 6. C. 3-5.
    Son of Arthur Edwin and Cecela Mary Page; husband of Margaret Page, of East Malvern, Victoria, Australia.

    Mid Air Gunner - James Henry Cooper - Air Gunner - Sergeant 1308375 Age 33 - Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve - Coll. grave 6. C. 3-5.
    Son of James and Florence May Cooper, of Stoke-on-Trent; husband of Florence Alice Cooper, of Hanley, Stoke-on-Trent.

    Rear Air Gunner - Donald Cameron Kitchener Grant - Sergeant 527237 Age 29 - Coll. grave 6. C. 7.
    Son of Gregor James Grant and Catherine Grant, of Bearsden, Dunbartonshire.
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