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    Default Flight Lieutenant Robert Edwards Harvey, 12 August 1944

    On 12 August 1944 Flight Lieutenant Robert Edwards Harvey RCAF was killed in a training accident at Linton-on-Ouse, near York, reportly with all his crew.

    Nothing in Chorley 1944, OTU and HCU books.

    I would like to know the lost aircaft and the other crew.

    Thanks in advance

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    There's no RCAF Harvey killed on that date but there is:

    Name: HARVEY, ROBERT EDWARDS
    Initials: R E
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Air Gnr.)
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
    Age: 31
    Date of Death: 12/08/1944
    Service No: 119204
    Awards: Mentioned in Despatches
    Additional information: Son of Woodville Foulis Harvey and of Alexandra Maud Harvey (nee Begg), of Edinburgh; husband of Kathleen Maude Harvey (nee Herdman Newton), of Edinburgh.
    Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
    Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. E. Row A. Grave 18.
    Cemetery: HARROGATE (STONEFALL) CEMETERY

    He is listed as being a member of 142 Squadron on this site:

    http://www.couplandbell.com/marg/men_of_142.htm

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    Hello,

    119204 F/Lt (Air Gnr.) Robert Edwards HARVEY MiD RAFVR (not RCAF), and 116100 F/Lt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Vernon Terence Joseph HAND RAFVR were both members of No.1665 HCU.

    http://www.raf38group.org/rohh

    Both died on 12-8-1944 and lie in Harrogate (Stonefall) Cemetery.

    1665 HCU had transferred from Bomber Command on 1-12-1943. Strangely, Hand is listed in BCL9/330. His unit is listed as 1665 HCU. Harvey, rightly so, is not. Something wrong here!

    No.1665 HCU losses 12-8-1944:

    The Times. Dec.5, 1944. RAF - Killed on Active Service.

    158245 F/O (Air Gnr.) Godfrey William ARNOLD RAFVR
    116100 F/Lt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Vernon Terence Joseph HAND RAFVR
    1660460 Sgt (Flt Eng.) Leslie SANDERSON RAFVR

    The Times. Dec.5, 1944. RAF - Died of Wounds or Injuries Received on Active Service.

    119204 F/Lt (Air Gnr.) Robert Edwards HARVEY MiD RAFVR

    It would appear as if there were others involved - Pilot? - Nav? - ???

    Possibly a Halifax or a Stirling.

    More questions than answers!

    Col.
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    Hello,

    I think I've found the Stirling involved.

    12-8-1944
    No.1665 HCU
    Stirling III EF210 NY-P

    Crashed on overshoot* onto railway bridge at Alne, Yorkshire. EFA. Burnt out.

    * Probably Tholthorpe.

    See:
    The Stirling Story.
    Bowyer,Michael J F.
    Manchester:Crecy,2001.
    p.363

    Hopefully, someone can add more.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 11th August 2010 at 10:07.

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    http://www.iwmcollections.org.uk/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?QF0=AutoID&QI0=718617&TN=Uncat&RF=allD etails&AC=QBE_QUERY

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    Thanks to all, the 38 Group seem the place to search for more details.

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    Hi. Just to let you know, there are two photographs of EF210 NY-P that appear in various publications. It shows the a/c on a main road having overshot during landing at Tilstock.
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    Hello,

    Just to let people know. The incident referred to by Celt 22, occurred in June 1944, and should not be confused with the incident on 12-8-1944.

    One of the photographs mentioned appears in Jonathan Falconer's, Stirling At War (p.34). It depicts Stirling III EF210 astride the Whitchurch Road after swinging off the runway at Tilstock. The solo pupil pilot, narrowly missed cleaning up a jeep loaded with GIs!

    Col.

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    Default Flight Lieutenant Robert Edwards Harvey, 12 August 1944

    Hi everyone,

    Flight Lieutenant R. E. Harvey (RAFVR) was my grandfather and I'm pleased to see others are interested in him as well! I've also been researching info about the grandfather I never knew.
    All your facts below are correct.
    He is buried in Stonefall Cemetery, Harrogate with the rest of his crew. I visited it, finally, in April this year.
    The crew buried alongside him are:
    Flight Sergeant K. Abrams (432081, Australian Air Force)
    Flight Sergeant W. Thompson (436136, Australian Air Force)
    Sergeant A. Monnington (1667930, RAF)
    Pilot Officer (Navigator) C. Axford (RCAF)
    Flight Lieutenant (Wireless Op/Air Gunner) V. Hand (RAF)

    From his school's Roll of Honour I found: "... He served as an Instructor at an aerodrome in Shropshire, and on 12th August 1944, while on a cross-country flight, was killed, together with all his crew, in an accident at Linton-on-Ouse, near York. He is buried in the R.A.F. cemetery at Harrogate."

    I hope this helps. If anyone has any more information I'd really appreciate it. I'm not sure who would have been flying the plane, or where the crash site is, but it must be by the railway next to Alne.

    Best regards,

    Diane Anderson

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    Hi Diane,

    Thanks for your reply. But starting from the crew list you gave, especially the Australian dead, I have found that Abrams, Thompson and Monnington died aboard Halifax EB192 of 1667 HCU on 12 August 1944, but Flt Lt Harvey was not with them.

    See the link below, page 260:
    http://www.awm.gov.au/catalogue/research_centre/pdf/rc09125z023_1.pdf

    It seems to me that two Halifax crew died the same day, and men of both aircraft are buried alongside in Stonefall Cemetery.

    Best regards

    Laurent

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