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    Hallo all,

    Can anyone please expand on the fates of the following Avro Ansons;
    K6198 17 OTU SOC 1.8.40
    K6208 17 OTU SOC 6.8.40
    K8784 17 OTU SOC 4.8.40
    N5134 12 FTS SOC 30.12.40
    N5264 17 OTU SOC 10.7.40

    The above is all that is contained in THE ANSON FILE, THE 'K' FILE and RAF AIRCRAFT L1000-N9999; all from Air-Britain. Any more details welcome.

    Regards,

    Martin Gleeson.

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    A number of Ansons very close in serial number to these went to Canada in the summer and fall of 1940. Can't find these in my notes, but I wonder if they went to other BCATP schools in Africa, Australia, or NZ?
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    Hello Martin,

    Nothing in Bomber Command Losses vol 7, OTU's.

    Under 17 OTU only 3 Anson losses recorded.
    N5112;R9643 and N4997.

    All the best
    Alex

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    Hallo Bill and Alex,

    Thanks for your help. I cannot find anything else on these serials. I have checked the RAAF, SAAF, SRAF and RNZAF sections in THE ANSON FILE without any joy.

    I suspect at least some of the 17 OTU Ansons were lost on the ground during bombing attacks but no proof so far.

    Thanks again and regards,

    Martin.

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    Hello Martin,
    I looked on Geoff's search engine for the 10th July 1940 and these names for RAF came up.
    LAC Dale 616618
    Sgt(obs) Dent 755832
    P/o. Goldsmith-Jones 41282
    Wop/AG Hannan 629054
    F/o Lincoln 70400
    A/c Ward 906836
    P/o watson 79577
    A/c Wilkinson 626304
    Sgt Wop/AG Williams 646080

    I could not get 17 OTU to work.
    perhaps you can match some names to the aircraft.

    Dent,Hannon,Watson and Williams were crew in Anson N5019 of 15 OTU lost this date along with Sgt. A C Smith who was injured (ref: BCL vol 7 OTU's 1940/47).
    This would in effect leave us with five for at least one more anson crew .

    Good luck
    Alex
    Last edited by Alex Smart; 14th August 2010 at 15:22.

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    Hello,

    The ORB of No. 17 O.T.U. show only one Anson suffering an accident in July 1940 :
    N6154, 6th July 1940, S/L W.P. SUTCLIFFE, for which a form 765c was forwarded on 6th August 1940. The other aircraft lost that month were Blenheims, none on 10th July.

    Similarly, I see two Blenheim accidents in August, but no Anson.

    Joss

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    Hello Bill, Martin and Joss,

    Perhaps there was a lot going on with 17 OTU in 1940, Change from 6 Group to 7 Group.
    From BCL vol 7 (OTU's) as mentioned in my earlier post.
    N5112 -5th June 1940
    R9643 - 18th June 1941
    N4997 - 13th August 1941

    No note on N6154 therein.

    Blenheims noted for 1940 are -

    L1264 - 14th April 1940
    L4889 - 10th May 1940
    P4907 - 24th May 1940
    L9172 - 12th June 1940
    L9171 - 15th July 1940
    L8844 - 20th July 1940
    L4869 - 28th July 1940
    L8846 - 3rd Aug 1940
    P4902 - 7th Aug 1940
    L8839 - 14th Aug 1940
    L8843 - 28th Aug 1940
    R3621 - 3rd Sept 1940
    L8682 - 4th Sept 1940
    L8610 - 22nd Sept 1940
    L8797 - 23rd Sept 1940
    L4866 - 12th Oct 1940
    N3572 - 29th Oct 1940
    L4898 - 13th Nov 1940
    T1854 - 26th Nov 1940
    R2792 - 26th Nov 1940
    L4844 - 10th Dec 1940
    L4835 - 14th Dec 1940
    L4896 - 22nd Dec 1940
    L8683 - 23rd Dec 1940
    L4868 - 29th Dec 1940

    all for now
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    Hallo Alex and Joss,

    Many thanks for your input. However I believe these Anson losses were caused either by bombing while on the ground or by some type of accident which resulted in them being Struck Off Charge at a later date. I doubt if any deaths were involved on 10 July 1940, but I have no proof for certain. I have found nothing in any published source available to me.

    Regards,

    Martin.

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    Hello,

    I think you can eliminate Goldsmith-Jones from the list:

    On July 9 (1940), a single Do17 attacked the aerodrome (Penrhos), destroying three blocks of officers' quarters, two Henleys from a detachment of Anti-Aircraft Co-operation Unit (L3290 and L3359) and damaging a hangar. Two officers were killed, one of whom was P/O G D Goldsmith-Jones, the Canadian OC Flying.

    See:
    Airfield Archaeology - Penrhos.
    Smith,Dave
    Flypast. April, 1985
    pp.10-12

    Flight. July 25, 1940 p.75. Cas. Comm. No.39

    Died of Wounds or Injuries Received on Active Service.
    P/O. G. D. Goldsmith-Jones (41282)

    F/O J A Lincoln (70400) Killed on Active Service, mentioned in same Casualty List. Not sure of his involvement.

    Col.
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    Lincoln was in Blenheim I, L1358 of No 1 AAS the only unaccounted officer I have for 9 Jul 1940 is Fg Off BRIAN PETER HOSEGOOD PAGE

    Malcolm

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