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    Default Lancaster KB745 VR-V 04/10/1944

    Hello,

    I seek clarification (if possible) with regards to the ranks of certain members of the crew.

    Reference books list the following at the rank of Sgt.
    However the CWGC, list them as :-

    Wireless Op:
    J/92361 P/O William Russell Karstens, RCAF, Age 22 +
    Air Gunner (upper):
    J/92914 P/O Donald Alexander Trott, RCAF, Age 19 +
    Air Gunner (tail):
    J/92476 P/O Thomas Bernard Tierney, RCAF, Age 22 +

    regards

    Chris

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    Chris,

    RCAF casualty list No. 1019 issued 20 October 1944: KARSTENS Flight Sergeant, TROTT & TIERNEY Sergeants.

    At the Canadian Virtual War Memorial (CVWM) all are Pilot Officers. KARSTENS & TROTT records also include a photo of their grave markers.

    Promoted after death.

    http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem&CFID=21044757&CFTOKEN=12396386
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    May I suggest a means of determining birth dates of RCAF wartime fatalities ?

    Go to http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/war-dead/001056-100.01-e.php.

    This is a means of finding the boxes in which files are held, but the index itself provides names, service number, rank, date of death and (sometimes completely, sometimes not) the date of birth.

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    Gents,

    Thank you for your time and support.

    Ken,
    If you don't mind me asking,what evidence is there (appart from their graves) is there of promotion after death.


    Chris

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    Chris,

    The promotion of senior NCO aircrew to the rank of P/O after death was common in the RCAF. I do not know what criteria was used for these promotions or when the policy was implemented, but it was a common occurence in late 1944.

    These promotions have been discussed previously on this forum but I have not been able to locate the posts. Perhaps someone on forum could enlarge on the subject.

    As requested, I will send you a copy of list 1019 via PM.

    Regards, Ken

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    One further question,

    How many aircraft were in volved in this raid to Bergen andif possible the code name for the raid?

    Thank you

    Chris

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    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2871

    this above thread mentions briefly post death commishioning.

    If you are having difficulty with dead Canadian aircrew simply go to the Canadian national Archives website, find out how to order parts of their services files and that should answer your questions.
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    Thank you Dennis,

    That discussion, leaves a valid question mark!

    regards

    Chris

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    What question mark is that?

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    Dennis,

    The question mark as I read the discussion, was whether or not NCOs' were promoted after death to Officer or if it they were already in the promotion process or that the whole crew of this aircraft were Officers, (the latter of which seems unlikely).

    Chris

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