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    Default Mustang FD564 26 Nov 1944

    In 2nd TAF Vol. 2 (Shores & Thomas) it says that on 26 Nov 1944 Mustang 1A FD564 of 268 Squadron with F/L H.A. Wilton was hit by Flak over Dunkirk and crashlanded in Allied territory.

    On Joe Baugher's USAAF serial website it gives that this former P-51 41-37466 came down in Belgium after Flak damage and was later SOC.

    Who has details about the location where the Mustang ended up?

    Thanks for the info.

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    Leendert

    It seems the a/c crashed in France but was written off in Belgium?

    F/Lt Hill and F/Lt Wilton were operating in the Dunkerque area on this day. Wilton was hit by flak and apparently made a forced landing "8 miles SE of Dunkirk". The a/c was picked up by 416RSU and initially declared CatB but subsequently written off on 15Jan45. 416RSU had moved into B.56 Brussels/Evere on 10Oct44.

    This info partly derives from research by Colin Ford 268 Sqn historian who is not at home at the moment.

    Steve

    PS I have just returned from a very enjoyable short vist to Antwerpen.

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    Sorry about the late reply on this one as when it was originally posted I was away overseas for an extended holiday, not too far in part of it from the area in discussion. I've only just stumbled across this inquiry.

    The No.1 of the pair of Mustangs 'pin pointed' the crash site of F/L Wilton's crash as being 8 miles south east of Dunkirk near Poperinge, which is just inside Belgium.

    FD564, cross referenced against multiple pilot's log book entries was coded 'N' at that time.

    FD498 'J' was actually the other Mustang in that pair the day and was the Mustang F/L Wilton flew on his next operational sortie once he arrived safely back with the Squadron. It remained with the Squadron into early 1945.

    When you talk about the photograph of the crashed Mustang near Witternesse with what seems to be a "J" in the code, remember at this time the Tac/R Mustangs only had the single aircraft id letter displayed forward of the fuselage roundel. So if there are potentially other code letters obscured by the witnesses to the crash in the photo, I doubt it is from No.268 Squadron or any of the other Tac/R Mustang Squadrons. You are then probably looking at a later Merlin engined fighter.

    Enjoyed my time in Brugge (especially the Zot) and Ieper.

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    Hello Col,

    Poperinge is definitively not 8 miles south-est of Dunkirk. It's much further away. 8 miles SE of Dunkirk is still in France, and villages likes Téteghem or Uxem or Warhem may fit the bill, geographically speaking.

    As for the picture of the force-landed Mustang in Witternesse, it's not possible to say whether or not she was carrying a Squadron code, as 3 Frenchmen are posing right in front of the fuselage area where these two letters would be. They both passed away years ago, very few people remember the anecdote, the time is unsure, only the location. I suggested in the book of my friend Hugues Chevalier 2 possible Tac/R Mustangs lost in the early days of september 1944, but with no certainty.

    Thanks for your help.

    Joss

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    Steve,

    Thanks for the info. It very looks like it was France instead of Belgium after all....

    Regards,

    Leendert

    PS Brugge is worth a visit as well!

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    Hello,

    I have unfortunately nothing to offer on this one. Can't tell whether she came down in France or Belgium. I haven't come across a police or gendarmerie report about it, but this isn't a proof it didn't occur. On that day I only have a German four-engined place which was lost during a trip to Dunkirk besieged garrison.

    Dunkirk's defense were still very accurate, and accounted for a few allied aircraft from time to time. I have already seen 416 R&SU ORB in the past, but didn't picture it at the time. May be the information was in it, but it they had moved to Belgium by then, I was probably not interested anymore, limiting myself to northern France.

    I hope Colin Ford might be able to add to this.

    Joss

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    Joss

    The 268 Sqn ORB indicates that the reconnaissance was in a tight area. Using http://www.echodelta.net/mbs/eng-welcome.php the co-ordinates come out as Coudekerke > Teteghem > Uxem > Warhem.

    Leendert

    We have been to Brugge and yes it is a very nice place to visit.

    Steve

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    Hello Steve,

    These four villages are all in France, even if some names sounds / are Flemish. But the Mustang may have flown a little and crash-landed outside this perimeter. With a little luck, in the future, I may come across a French report about this one. But I've usually been quite unlucky with Dunkirk area at the time of the siege.

    Joss

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    35 Wing HQ ORB records... Flt/Lt Wilton force-landed near Dunkirk
    (Fl/Lt's name very difficult to read)

    Cheers Motherbird

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    Hi Joss,

    Location of Poperinge was my 'quick and dirty' conversion on a large scale map. I've now replotted and crash location looks to be around area between Oost-Cappel and Roesbrugge-Haringe using a wartime chart. So just on that border area.

    Regards,
    Colin Ford
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