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    Looking for any information on RAF use of Boeing 247D, serial DZ203, ex RCAF 7655. I have read that it was used for radar trials. Was this in North America or in the UK?

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    Theres a google books snippet says:

    The Boeing 247: the first modern airliner
    By F. Robert Van der Linden, National Air and Space Museum

    Given the serial number DZ203, this 247 was transferred to the RAF in July 1941, assembled at Speke and flown in August in a display of blind bombing as part of the RAF Special Duty Flight.

    And another book:
    Military airfields of Wales and the North-West
    By David J. Smith

    An unusual and popular aircraft 'owned' by TFU for most of its career was a Boeing 247D, DZ203. It was used for blind approach experiments and in June 1944 was shipped back to the USA for the fitting of an all-electric auto-pilot and American Automatic Approach equipment, returning later in the eyar.


    This chap was trying to make a model of it last year:
    http://gregers.7.forumer.com/a/williams-bros-boeing-247d-as-raf-dz203_post9314.html
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    Bill:

    Per Phil Butler's 'Air Arsenal north America':

    Eight were bought the British Purchasing Commission for Canada.

    "One of the Canadian purchases was later shipped to England (in July) 1941 where it was sued for early airborne radar experiments. The fuselage was capacious enough to house the bulky experimental radar sets and the Boeing was used to develop Airborne Interception (AI) radar for use in night fighters. Later it was used for the development of Instrument Landing Systems until being scrapped some time after the end of the war. This was c/n 1726 ex NC13344, CF-TBA and RCAF 7655 before becoming DZ203 with the TRE at Defford. It was was finally scrapped in August 1947 at No 34 MU, Sleap, reportedly after being damaged in its hangar at Defford during winter storms in late in 1946."

    Post-war photo in silver finish: MAP B23922.

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    Thanks very much all. Can I ask, what are the TFU and TRE?

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    Telecommunications Research Establishment at a bit of googling.

    http://www.purbeckradar.org.uk/penleyradararchives/history/tre_history.htm

    I think the term TRU is incorrect in the above book I quoted, if you pop the term "telecommunications research" (without commas) into the UK TNA catalogue there are no returns of the ..unit. all Establishment.
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    Bill,

    TFU = Telecommunications Flying Unit

    History somewhat complicated:

    Formed 10.11.41* ex SD Flight, Christchurch as Research Section, Telecommunications Flying Unit in No.10 Group at Hurn (dett of approx 8 a/c continued to operate from Christchurch as a satellite for AIS and AIF radio development), to work with the Telecommunications Research Establishment with establishment 33 twin-engine aircraft, 23 single-engine aircraft & 2 communication a/c; 22-25.5.42 Defford (dett Valley from 18.7.44) (had a Defensive Squadron and an Offensive Squadron 1943/44, each with a number of different a/c types; Redesignated Radar Research Flying Unit 1.11.55.
    [*BUT TFU formed 1.8.41 by amalgamating PEE, SD Flt Christchurch, and Blind Landing Dett of RAE Farnborough] [TRE moved 5.42 from Worth Matravers, Dorset to Great Malver, where RAF Section formed 12.7.42].

    Source: RAF Flying Training and Support Units since 1912

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    Mt father Ft Lt. W.E.P Webb has in his log books an entry: September 12th 1945 at 14.40 Aircraft Boeing DZ203 Pilot S/Ldr Allies, Duty- Air Test. At this time he was at RAF Defford with the TFU Telecommunications lying Unit I understand. This seemed to involve him (Wireless operator/air gunner) being in different aircraft on a regular basis in September alone he was on Wellingtons. Boeing, Fortress and Hudsons.

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    That would be a fascinating log book to see a transcript of!! Thanks for sharing that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis_burke View Post
    That would be a fascinating log book to see a transcript of!! Thanks for sharing that much.
    Dennis, My father was in RAF for 10 years and the logs are very extensive, but I will give some thought to doing a transcript. I have only just got the log books so have not seen them before, there is some really interesting stuff in them which I would like to find more about. eg. 28/5/41 03.40 Whitley P5050 Pilot F/O Waller Duty Special Escort HMS "King George V" and "Rodney" engaged E.A. HE111 & JU88 flying time 7.55 day 2.00 night. Why would a Whitley be escorting two huge battleships?
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    In May 1941 George V and Rodney were chasing the Bismark, leading to its sinking. Long range aircraft would be used to watch for submarines or other surface craft, and would engage German long range patrol aircraft when they had a chance.

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