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    1. On 8 Dec HUSTWAITE, RAYMOND REGINALD (125624) RAF Ferry Command – was killed Boston, BZ249 according to TSGNO but according to A-B this aircraft was lost with 114 Sqn on 8 Sep 1943, anyone know which aircraft he was flying?

    2. 8 Dec - WHITE, ALFRED HERBERT WILLIAM (1242424) RAFVR - age 29 – according to TSGNO he was killed in flying accident in Tiger Moth 5826 of 31 SFTS, however Bill Walker’s site indicates that this aircraft never went to 31 SFTS and wa sold off at the end of war. Anyone know which aircraft he was flying?

    3. On 21 Dec two Defiants (T4032 and N1625) of No 2 AGS collided with each other near Dalcross, the two airmen below were possibly killed in this collision. Can anyone confirm this and place them in specific aircraft?

    SMITH, DONALD (994324) RAFVR - age Unknown Cpl
    CROUCH, SYDNEY (H271329) RAFVR - age 21 LAC

    4. On 28 Dec two Hurricanes (W9233 and AG150) of No 55 OTU collided with each other near Longtown, the two airmen below were possibly killed in this collision. Can anyone confirm this and place them in specific aircraft?

    WALSH, GEORGE HENRY (657583) RAF - age 25 Sgt
    MARSHALL, ARTHUR VALENTINE (1332781) RAFVR - age 20 Sgt

    5. According to Storr, TAYLOR , ROY MELDRUM (403825) RAAF - age 20 was killed flying Spitfire, BT423 on 31 Dec. However, this serial was from a cancelled batch of Sea Otters, anyone know what aircraft Taylor was flying?

    All the best

    Malcolm

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    8th December;
    LAC White is buried at Calgary, so he was probably with 31EFTS, not 31SFTS.
    Ian Macdonald

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcolm_raf View Post
    Hi All

    5. According to Storr, TAYLOR , ROY MELDRUM (403825) RAAF - age 20 was killed flying Spitfire, BT423 on 31 Dec. However, this serial was from a cancelled batch of Sea Otters, anyone know what aircraft Taylor was flying?

    Malcolm
    TAYLOR was flying Spitfire PR.IV BR423. He was yet another loss for 4 PRU during Dec 42, they had a really tough month of it.

    Source: 4 PRU ORB

    Best Regards

    Andy Fletcher
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    Hi Malcolm

    Alan Storr has two serial numbers – the BR423 in the table and BT423 in the text. The first - BR423 is really Spitfire Mk.IV. But there is a problem with the date of its loss – 1/12/1942 and not 31/12.

    BR423 PRIVT 2936 HEA M46 FF 15-5-42 (W camera) 9MU 16-5-42 Benson 2-9-42 Gibraltar 6-11-42 EAfrica FTR ops 1-12-42

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    Both Smith & Crouch (u/t Air Gunners) were killed in the collision between T4032 and N1625. along with Sgt F. Legarski 780588. Sgt W. Link 780772, the pilot of one aircraft baled out.

    None are associated with a particular aircraft by the ORB.

    I have checked some files I have a copy of for W9233, from these I have Sgt A.V. Marshall, I don't have anything for AG150.
    Alan Clark

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    Ian is correct, 5826 was written off after a crash on 8 December 1942 while with 31 EFTS at De Winton, Alberta. Crash location was De Winton, that is all the information I have.

    A look at my web site on my machine shows 5826 written off on 19 February 1943. Is the information scrambled on other machines? Still trying to figure out all this HTML stuff.
    Last edited by Bill Walker; 5th September 2010 at 02:53. Reason: added last para.

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    Many thanks everyone

    Bill -

    My apologies for any confusion, my query for 8 Dec should have been regarding TM 4200 not 5826 although it is shown as being SOC on 19 Feb 1942 on my machine as well

    TSGNO states LAC PERERA, KINGSLEY WILFRED MILROY (1399700) RAFVR - age 29 was killed in 4200 on 8 Dec your entry indicates it being damaged on 4 Mar 1943 but SOC on 11 Jan 43

    Alll the best

    Malcolm
    Last edited by malcolm_raf; 5th September 2010 at 08:52.

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    Malcolm, thanks for confimring what my web pages look like to others. I have always wondered.

    Tiger Moth 4200 clearly has some typos on its records, but it is hard to figure out what is what. Here is what I read off a copy of a copy of the hand written record card (which I didn't have when I created the current web page for this aircraft).

    Category B crash at Regina on 19 January 1942, with 15 EFTS. Under repair 22 January 1942 to 31 March 1942.

    Category A crash at 31 EFTS at De Winton, no date.

    Effective date of write of 1 March 1943. This date is usually the date of the crash, or some time after. From my work on some other crashes, this appears to be the first date that an engineer or senior mechanic views the aircraft and decides it is probably beyond repair. If the crash was on the De Winton aerodrome, and the weather was good, somebody from 10 RD could be at the crash site the same day. If the crash was well off field in the foothills just west of De Winton, during a nasty winter, it is very believable that it could take till early March to get to a December crash site.

    Request to scrap, from 10 RD at Calgary to 4 TC HQ, dated 4 March 1943.

    Request approved by 4 TC HQ on 10 March 1943.

    Approval sent to 10 RD, and last entry on Record Card, on 11 January 1943! The same date appears in 2 places. Both times it is written as 11.1.43, perhaps it meant 1 November 1943, but that is just a guess. It is also possible that the 11 January date was a response to an earlier verbal request from 10 RD, with the final paperwork following in March. Take your pick.

    What we really need is the Daily Diary for 31 EFTS for December 1942 and on. I haven't made it that far in my work yet. Maybe Dakota has the Diaries in question?

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    Many thanks Bill, I'll list him as probably killed in 4200

    Malcolm

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    Malcolm,
    1 - HUSTWAITE on BZ247.
    2 - Also have WHITE assigned to 31 EFTS DiWinton.
    3 - SMITH on N1625 (Pilot: Sgt Wlodzimierz LINK - PAF 780772 survived).
    CROUCH on T4032 (Pilot: Sgt Franciszek LEGARSKI - PAF 780588 [from USA] also killed).
    4 - I've MARSHALL on W9233 and WALSH (from N.Ireland) on AG150.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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