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    Ladies & Gentlemen,

    I am beavering away on a two volume tome covering training aircraft losses between 1939 & 45. The scope covers just elementary and service flying schools, as well as some other flying training places like gunnery, navigators and signals schools.

    I have the basic data for UK, Canada, South Africa, USA, Rhodesia (alright Zimbabwe!) but cannot find a source of losses encompassing all of Australia & New Zealand. I know Errol Martyn's trio of books very well but these deal with fatal accidents not all aircraft losses.

    Please can anybody point me towards definitive lists for the two countries stated.

    OldRotor

    PS I almost hope that nobody can, as the lists I have at present are enormous!!!

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    Please put me down for copies when they are available.

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    If you go to www.awm.gov.au/search/?q=RAAF+World+War+2+Fatalities and look down the list you will see training accidents and accidents in OTU and HCU units, this is for Bomber Command only but it is a start.

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    John.

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    For Australian serials and their fates, this is a good starting point:

    http://www.adf-serials.com/

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    RAF Armoured Car Companies 1920-45 http://www.rafacciraq.com/

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    There is also a New Zealand version of the ADF website:

    http://www.adf-serials.com/nz-serials/

    Errol

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    Thank you for the prompt responses, including those sent to my email address.

    I shall be on the case soonest!

    I limited the scope to elementary/service FTSs and some specialist schools because, for example, Bomber OTUs have been covered by Bill Chorley, Transports are mainly covered in another book and as my original post suggested, the task is still enormous!

    1939-42 going very well, with data covering the basic records all to hand (except Australia/New Zealand until now) and detailed records for 1939 -41 'in the bag', together with much casualty detail.

    Publication for Volume 1 is end-2011 and that still looks feasible - especially with the long winter nights approaching and the pub too far away to stagger to/from.

    I shall, inevitably, use this forum for advice/guidance so don't any of you go away!!!!

    OldRotor

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    On the Australian Archives website (http://naa12.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx), you will have to check two types of files:

    _ the individual casualty files

    _ there are files that list accidents (fatal or not, wrecking the aircraft or not) by plane type. It seems to me that most of the latter are available in electronic form.
    For these one just type the "Accidents table" in the search box and dates between 1939 and 1945 and you will see the list of the files (263 files found, all but one are available in digital form. Sadly the missing one is one of those about Anson, so right into your interest area)

    By the way, your book is interesting me. :)

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    I can only add to what's been said about the Australian National Archives site - www.naa.gov.au, gold mine of already-digitised and online information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldRotor View Post
    I limited the scope to elementary/service FTSs and some specialist schools because, for example, Bomber OTUs have been covered by Bill Chorley, Transports are mainly covered in another book and as my original post suggested, the task is still enormous!
    I fully agreed for the Bomber OTUs, and that the training part (from EFTS to OTU) of the whole RAF is just a huge project. Just wondering which book you are talking about the transport aircraft losses, especially the training part ?

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    OldRotor


    Put me down for a copy of both as well..

    However.. Will the loss list include crew details where known?

    Thanks

    Paul

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