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    ive just received my uncles raf records, but iam struggling to make out what all the codes
    mean, so i have sent them to the raf historical branch to see if they can help me out,
    my uncle never spoke about the war and he never claimed his medals of which i have
    just sent off for, the only thing i know is he was a rear gunner and in late 1943 he was
    with 76 squadron just before this he was at 41 base, i was told my uncle tore up all is pictures
    he enlisted in 1942 and demobbed in 1945, is full name is keith malcom sommerville,
    if any one could help in anyway i would be very grateful

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    Default Keith Sommerville

    [Keith , if you have your uncles RAF records , then you should have his RAF SERIAL NUMBER , this will help , do you know if he was an OFFICER or a NCO ie SGT .
    His service records DEPENDING on what you have should show you when he enlisted where he did his training , and what SQD/UNITS he was posted too inc dates.
    if you could maybe supply a little bit more information ,then I am sure someone will help if they can as there are several ways of finding out more , hopefully you can supply a bit more gen ie Service Number , Rank as this will help .
    Phill Jones

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    I just heard from namrondooh offline and he is going to look into his copies of the 76 Sqn ORB to see what he can find for you. His father was with 76 Sqn, as was one of my research subjects.
    David

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    cheers for the info

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    hi phill
    thanks for the info its a great help, this is the info i have.
    service no 195559
    3 itw
    acdc
    no1 manning base canada
    raf/dpu ?
    31 pd dis u.k
    7 prc
    19 o.t.u
    41 base
    76 sqd
    20 o.t.u
    then discharged
    also london gazette > temp flt sgt then flt officer late 1945
    is it possible to find out where and when he flew during his service
    also on is records it shows 2 seperate entrys for fliming ?
    sorry for all the questions but i tried other avenues on the net .
    i have also purchased 2 books tailend charlies and to see the dawn breaking just to see
    if by chance he was mentioned in anyway but no luck .
    thanks again hope this helps

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    Default Keith Sommerville

    Paul , in answer to your request ,
    3 ITW .INITIAL TRAINING WING
    acdc ,AIR CREW DISTRUBUTION CENTRE ?
    NO1 MANNING BASE CANADA , POSSIBLY WHERE HE DONE HIS TRAINING
    RAF/DPU . ?
    31 PD DIS UK , ANOTHER DISTRUBUTION CENTRE ?
    7 PRC .PERSONNEL RELOCATION CENTRE .
    19 OTU , OPERATIONAL TRAINING UNIT .OPERATIONAL TRAINING , BEFORE POSTING TO SQUADRON .
    41 BASE , POSSIBLY HOME BASE OF SQD.
    76 SQUADRON .
    THEN BACK TO 20 OTU , AGAIN OPERATIONAL TRAINING UNIT , POSSIBLY ON INSTRUCTOR DUTIES AFTER HIS TOUR OF OPERATIONS ??

    THIS IS A BRIEF OUTLINE SOME GUESS WORK ON MY PART HOPEFULLY SOME OTHER CAN HELP , TRY A INTERNET SEARCH FOR 19 OTU , THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU SOME GEN
    I CAN TELL YOU 19 OTU were based in SCOTLAND KINLOSS, NOT SURE WHAT DATES YOU HAVE ON YOUR UNCLES RECORDS SO SOME OF THIS IS GUESSWORK , BUT IT SHOULD GET YOU STARTED .
    i WILL SEND YOU A PRIVATE E-MAIL WITH SOME OTHER BITS FOR YOU
    PHILL JONES

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    Hi Paul,

    No. 1 Manning Depot was the main assembly point for recruits in Toronto, on the site of the Canadian National Exhibition in a building called the Coliseum (still there). My fathers first days in the RCAF were spent there.
    David

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    Paul,

    With all due respects to Phill's effort, the following is a more complete and accurate interpretation of your uncle's service record:

    3 itw - No.3 Intiial Training Wing, Torquay
    acdc - Air Crew Despatch Centre, Heaton Park (a holding centre for trainee aircrew bound for Canada or South Africa)
    no1 manning base canada - No.1 Manning Depot, Toronto
    raf/dpu ? (? Is this exactly how it appears on the service record?)
    31 pd dis u.k - No.31 RAF Personnel Depot, Moncton ('dis' probably refers to disembarkation UK)
    7 prc - No.7 Personnel Reception Centre, Harrogate
    19 o.t.u - No.19 Operational Training Unit, Kinloss (Whitley aircraft until Aug 44 then began converting to Wellingtons)
    41 base - No.41 Base (became No.74 Base 7 Nov 4), Marston Moor (controlled 4 Group's No. 1652 Heavy Conversion Unit, No. 1658 HCU & 1663 HCU (all Halifax aircraft)
    76 sqd - No.76 Squadron
    20 o.t.u - No.20 Operational Training Unit, Lossiemouth (Wellington aircraft)

    Errol

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    Paul,
    Your uncle's crew were as follows
    F/Lt R.B. Hutchinson, pilot.
    P/O D.M. Brown, A/B.
    P/O J.M. Stewart, Nav.
    F/Sgt D.S. Dare, W/Op.
    F/Sgt N.E. Walton, Mid-Upper.
    Sgt F.D. Harrop, F/E.
    Your uncle was R/Gunner, he was posted out to 20 OTU on 01/04/45.
    Last op with 76sqdn was on 19/03/45 to Witten

    From 19th March back to 6th Oct 44 i have found 33 ops so far, will carry on search later.
    Alan.
    Last edited by AlanW; 23rd September 2010 at 10:29.

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    Default keith sommerville

    hi keith
    iam amazed at all the info you have given to me,
    i dont know how to thank you, iam deeply touched
    so thank you again so much
    cheers paul

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