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    Hello,

    Could someone with the appropriate A-B volume, please provide me with a service history/fate of Hotspur II BT779?

    Thanks,

    Col.

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    Col,

    BT779
    296
    SS 23.7.47

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    Errol,

    Thanks.

    Need to do a bit more research on this one. Apparently, 296 Sqn still under Army Co-Operation Command, 38 Wing - Airborne Division (fits with my casualties).

    More later!

    Col.

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    Col,

    Depends on when you are actually dealing with 296 Sqn as to who they belonged to and what they were using and for what purposes.

    296 started life as a 'real' squadron at Netheravon on 3 Aug 42 (having already been formed up from the Glider Exercise Unit in Jan 42) as the expansion of airborne forces gathered pace and they retained a secondary role as a bomber squadron, losing aircraft on their first sortie in that task. They moved from the Whitley to the Halifax and then - strangely - went to the Albemarle in Oct 43. By Jul 44 they were changing to the Stirling IV and got rid of these after the war, using the Halifax A7 and then A9. The sqn disbanded in Oct 48, never to be seen again!

    38 Wg became 38 Gp within Transport Command.

    Not sure how 'active' your Hotspur was but towing it behind a Stirling or Halifax would be quite exciting for somebody but not me thank goodness!! It might be that the date of the Hotspur's disposal does not reflect the date of its last flight or use and it might have been lying around in a corner for several years before disposal.

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    OldRotor,

    Far from completed research on this one, but now you ask, I'll post what l've got.

    25-3-1942
    No.296 Sqn.
    Hotspur II BT779

    Accident/incident at Netheravon, Wiltshire.

    AUS407712 F/O (Pilot) Karl GIRRBACH* RAAF - Injured
    T/189402 Pte - ? - BAINBRIDGE
    20533 - ? - - ? - HANSON
    T/236072 - ? - - ? - HAVERCRAFT
    T/199688 L/Cpl. - ? - LAWRENCE
    T/202600 - ? - - ? - LEADBETTER
    T/142696 Pte. - ? - LIIPIN ????
    T/191688 Cpl. - ? - THOMPSETT

    * Girrbach +4-4-1943 No.156 Sqn. Lancaster I ED615 - BCL4/94.

    No.296 Sqn was using Hectors and Harts towing Hotspurs in the training role.

    This needs a lot more work. Confirmation/Contributions welcomed.

    Col.
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    Hi Col

    Girrbach was making a habit of scratching Hotspurs.

    BT505 on the 4th Jan 1942.
    Failed to notice loss of height when watching another aircraft landing. Undershot and crashed through hedge.

    BT779 on the 25th March (suppose he was not really considered pilot in control at the time!)
    Skid struck small bump, aircraft rose then stalled and crashed. When aircraft struck bump pilot thrown forward against windscreen and knocked out, unable to control aircraft.

    Due to this accident showing that the pilot could be thrown forward into the windscreen the MAP was tasked with retrofitting sutton harness to all aircraft.

    BT779 was assigned to No.296 Sqn but the tasking was air experience to the 1st Air Landing Brigade.

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    Ross,

    Thanks for the additional information on the luckless Girrbach.

    Still haven't got around to getting his files digitised. Might move him up the pile a tad, to see his postings.

    Cheers,

    Col.

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    Hi Col,

    BT495 was with No.1 GTS on the 4th Jan so that looks like the Training School at the start of his glider training.

    The progression is unusual as shortage of glider pilots after Arnhem led to surplus newly qualified power pilots being moved to the Glider Pilot Regiment.

    He seems to have gone the other way.

    Wonder if he had sailplane experience pre war.

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    Ross,

    Can't find any indication of pre-war activity in flying or gliding for Girrbach in South Australia (his Home State), but...

    http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article65359831

    and...

    http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11983239

    New one on me!

    Col.
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    Cheers Col,

    That I did not know.

    I have an impression that I've come across a few 40... service numbers relating to Hotspur and Horsa Cat A/B during 1942 but not registered that they were RAAF.

    They seem to have been very active so it was more that a publicity story.

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