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    Default 430625 - Unaccounted airmen - 25-6-1943

    What were the places of death registration for:

    A - Not found in Flight Global:
    Sgt (Pilot) NORRIS, Ronald S. - 1247258.

    B - Killed on active service:
    F/Lt (Flying Instr.) Terence F. PROCTER - 84661.

    C - Died on active service:
    LAC Eric W. TOMLINS - 1411631.

    D - Proposed aircraft losses:
    Lysander II - 4 Del Flt - T1527 - crashed on approach Fairwood Common.
    Master I - T8766 - 53 OTU - crashed in forced landing near Market Drayton, Shropshire.
    Master I - T8767 - 5 (P)AFU - crashed in forced landing Church Farm, Adderley, near Market Drayton, Shropshire.
    Spitfire IIA - P8233 - 52 OTU - flew into ground near Keevil.
    Master II - DL847 - 7 (P)AFU - crashed on landing Peterborough.
    Oxford I - HN173 - 289 Sqn - flew into ground Garrowchorran Hill, Innellan, near Dunoon, Argyllshire (already as a casualty on this a/c: F/Sgt [Pilot] F. HUTCHINSON - 1058969).
    Tiger Moth II - DE660 - 130 Sqn - crashed on take-off Ballyhalbert.

    E - Also looking for cause of death of following airmen of 23 Sqn (Luqa, Malta); can't find a matching aircraft type/serial:
    F/O Peter J. GLADMAN - 131761 - buried Catania War Cem., Sicily, and
    F/Lt Gerald C.R. MOODY - 78846 - commemorated Panel 1 Column 6 of the Malta Air Forces Memorial.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    Henk,
    According to 23sqdn ORB, Moody and Gladman took off 02.25am, 25/06/43 in Mosquito HJ766, and failed to return from ops to Mazara, West Sicilly. Oddly enough, one site (ASN) claims this aircraft lost Sept 9th 43 in totally different circumstances.
    Norris....Warminster, Dorset.
    Tomlins....Lambeth.
    Cannot find registration area for Procter, but he was with 32 EFTS at time of death.
    Alan.
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    Hi AlanW,

    If I may ask. What does the 23 Sqn ORB have to say about the loss of the following 23 Sqn personnel on 10-9-1943? Is there a serial quoted?

    132589 F/O Clive Jarvis BARBER RAFVR + Malta Memorial.
    135276 F/O Philip Arthur STEVENS RAFVR + Malta Memorial.

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    Hi Col,
    Failed to return from ops to Viterbo, Grossetto. Took off 00.15hrs, 10/09/43, Mosquito HX802.
    Alan.
    Last edited by AlanW; 27th September 2010 at 07:27. Reason: correction of serial

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    Hi Alan,

    Thanks for that.

    I presume the serial should read HX802. Could you confirm?

    Col.

    PS. Apologies, Henk.

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    Hi Col,
    Looks like you're right, typist a bit heavy on the key or too much ink on ribbon.

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    Looked up Hutchinson on Scotlands people and he is recorded as Hutchison. Unfortunately he is the last record on the page therefore I can't find the names of the other crew.
    The crash of Oxford HN173 is a new one for me as I thought we had that area completely covered and had visited and photographed every site.
    Hutchison is buried at Salford (Weaste) cemetery where he originated from.

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    I have been slowly accumulating information about my grand uncle who was in 23 Squadron and every now and then try and find info about the Squadron's ORB. Last week I had googled something like "23Sqdn ORB" and this time came upon your forum. What really caught my eye was that it was directed precisely at a thread containing the exact date of death of my grand uncle. Spooky...

    My grand uncle was F/Lt GCR Moody, and I can confirm that the June date is correct for the loss of HJ766. I have also seen before HJ766 being listed as lost on 9th Sep 43. Somewhere at home, and I looked over the weeked but unsucessfully, I have the official letter to my great grandparents notifying them that their son was missing in action and I'm sure this date is before Septmeber. My father has always refered to his uncle losing his life in June 1943.

    I put down this erroneous date as a date of possible official confirmation. The mission was overnight to Sicily as I had been told. Whatever the mission was it was deemed succesful as later photo reconnaisance showed. The mission was only a matter of about 2 weeks before the invasion of Sicily and yet the navigator was buried in Catania. I remember being told that the navigator was found washed up on Siciliy, so perhaps the body was found some weeks later after the invasion.

    From the story that I was told there were other planes on the mission and they returned but there was a report of an electrical storm. It looks like the navigator bailed out but my grand uncle went down with the plane.

    These details I haven't been able to co-oberate and therefore my interest in seeing the ORB to see if it fitted with the tale I was told. It may be that my grand father knew more than usual as he was also in the RAFVR, though based at Coningsby, I think.

    My grand uncle learnt to fly privately in the mid-30s at the De Haviland School in Hatfield. I have a photograph of him by a Tiger Moth of the school, a plane that amazingly is still flying at the Tiger club in Kent, G-ACDC, I believe is the oldest Tiger Moth still flying in the UK. Also in the background is a Dragon Rapide G-ACPP in RAS colours. This RAS plane (City of Bristol) still survives too being restored in a Canadian museum. Amazing that both planes in the picture have survived for almost 80 years, though Hatfield Aerodrome sadly hasn't.

    Being a trained pilot he was valuable to the pre and early war effort and was employed at White Waltham near Maidenhead to train incoming pilots. He wanted active service but it was a while before he was granted that. I have another photo of him astride the engine of a Hurricane with his crew standing in front and on the wing (which makes it a later model certainly) though I don't know for which squadron this would be.

    So my grand uncle started and ended his flying life in De Haviland, from a DH82A to DH98 but I haven't got a lot of detail in between.

    So if there is any info on his sorties with 23 squadron then I would be most grateful for help and any other info about GCR Moody (78846). Is the WW2 ORB for 23 Sqdn available online somewhere? Many thanks.
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    Hi Stuart,
    I have a copy of the 23sqdn ORB, and there will be no problem in sorting through it for the information you require. If you can contact me via my email address in my profile, i'll get back to you.
    Alan.

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