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    Default 615 Sqn Gladiator query

    Hi,

    In the Air Britain register L1000-N9999 it has 615 Sqn Glad N5581 as having crashed 10/12/39, no further details.

    On looking through Håkan's Biplane Aces website it mentions N5581 as;

    18/11/39 12:15 Transit flight Lille-Seclin to Merville. Damaged in forced landing at in bad weather. Aircraft write-off; F/L L. T. W. Thornley unhurt

    Both have the Glad as being SOC 16/12/39.

    Anyone know if these were two seperate accidents or has Air Britain got their dates mixed up. I have Glad movement and accident cards on order but it will take a while to get up to the N serials.

    Also further down Håkan's page for 615 Sqn he has another Glad as being damaged on this day;

    18/11/39 Transit flight Lille-Seclin to Merville. Overturned after forced landing at in bad weather. Aircraft damaged but repairable; S/L A. V. Harvey unhurt.

    There is no Glad serial listed for this one. Any offers?

    regards,

    Alex

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    Hello Alex,

    The info on 18/11/39 comes from Peter Cornwell's "The Battle of France: Then and Now" if this is of any help. Any additional info is most welcome.

    Best wishes/Håkan
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    Hi Håkan,

    Thanks, that's one book I don't have yet. If I find anything new I'll pass it on.

    Alex

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    Hello,

    Actually two Gladiators were damaged in landing accidents, with the two pilots mentioned, but again, no serial number are given in the Squadron ORB.

    The damaged machines were said to be collected by No. 2 A.S.P.

    The form 541 records F/L Thornley flying N5581 in that morning patrol, while the accident occured in the afternoon during a transit flight, so not recorded in the form 541.

    Joss

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    Hi Joss,

    Thanks for the info. Do you have the ORB for 615 Sqn? If yes, can you check the following two incidents. Again I'm looking for pilot names.

    1st July 1939, K7979; Engine cut on overshoot, crash-landed, Kenley. ROS.

    2nd July 1939, K7958; Engine cut; overshot forced landing and hit trees, Ide Hill, Kent. NFT.

    Thanks,

    Alex

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    Hello Alex,

    I've already explained that the Squadron ORB for the pre-war period is very very poor in details. No mention at all of these accidents / incidents.

    You'll have to rely on other sources, Station ORB may be (AIR 28 series at Kew), movement cards and accidents cards at Hendon (which is what you seem to be ordering / checking).

    Joss

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    Hi Joss,

    Thanks. I was just double checking. I have a number of accident/movement cards on order but these take a good 4-6 weeks to arrive and I get a bit impatient at times.

    Alex

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    Default 615 Sqn Gladiator incidents and possible Norway connection

    Hi Alex

    My notes from the F78 for N5581 are as follows:

    N5581 - (Mercury VIII - S228-124140) 6MU 15/2/39, 605 Sqn 5/6/39, 615 Sqn 30/6/39, 2 ASP 20/11/39 (entry for 615 Sqn 30/11/39 Census - struck through)

    I have no information regarding a second incident that day, but note that N5578 (according to its F78) was also transferred from 615 Sqn. to 2 ASP on the same date which may, or may not, be relevant:

    N5578 - (Mercury VIII - S920-124832) 6MU 15/2/39, 605 Sqn 4/5/39, 615 Sqn 30/6/39, 2ASP 20/11/39

    A Nordic aside: I strongly believe that it was this aircraft (N5578), rather than some mythical Sea Gladiator (usually identified as N5518), that subsequently went to Norway with 263 Squadron as a replacement for Pete Wyatt-Smith's N5695, ditched in the Clyde by a currently unidentified FAA pilot on approach to HMS Glorious on April 21st after engine failure.

    Your 2 pre-war accidents:

    My notes from the F.1180s. (EF = Engine failure)

    2/7/39, 605 Sqn., K7958, Service Training, Aeros, Ide Hill, Kent. EF, overshot field and hit trees. PO PN Merton-Neale unhurt.

    1/7/39, K7979, 615 Sqn, Night, 1st solo on type, Kenley, EF (Mishandling) overshot and opened up for 2nd circuit. Inadvertently opened mixture control while opening throttle and EF, landed heavily, tail first. PO A Eyre unhurt.

    All the best

    Niall

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    Hi Niall,

    Many thanks for the info.

    Very interesting regarding N5578 and its 263 Sqn connection. I haven't done any 263 Sqn research for a long while. The last stuff I did was to transcribe all the combat repoarts I could find for their ops in Norway.

    Alex

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