Flying Officer, Raymond J.G. Manning, RAF,VR.

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  1. Errol Martyn said:

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    I've sent Tony a scan of a number of documents about the crash that survive on Cooper's RNZAF service record.

    If anyone else would like to be copied in on them please email me direct.

    Errol
     
  2. aestorm said:

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    Tony
    Diana was part of a group of FANYs in southern Italy -Bari ,Brindisi & Taranto supporting Polish airmen ,mainly parachutists who were dropped into Poland 1944 as agents .The Fanys were involved in housekeeping duties such as preparing meals .cleaning ,driving & some with SOE duties, receiving radio messages from agents "in the field " .There is a photo of Diana's CWGC grave in the book & the chapter is entitled "The Polish FANYS" p104 .No particular role is mentioned for her ,apart from above .

    Many of the FANY women seemed to come from academic & priviledged backgrounds & were praised by the Polish officers with whom they worked in Italy
    Probably the reason for Sue Ryder's involvement with Poland after the war .

    Can you tell me your interest in Diana Manning ? If you email me I can give more details about M Pawley who was an SOE Fany . I was in contact with her in 2003

    The book is a very interesting read & was published by Pen & Sword [Leo Cooper] in 1999ISBN 0 85052 633 7.

    Anne
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  3. Tonym said:

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    FAO ERROLL
    My thanks for the info received, gives me a clearer picture of the incident. For some unknown reason, possibly because he was described as a Pilot, I wrongly assumed that he was co-Pilot of the aircraft but Anne's post clearly indicates that he was in fact a passenger returning from his Honeymoon with his wife, a tragic nine day marriage.

    FAO ANNE
    email on the way later regarding my interest in Diana.

    My thanks for the general interest and this Forum, not being ex-RAF I am slowly learning the jargon. Although I did spend four days in the RAF at the RAF Combined Recruiting Centre, Euston, London in February 1945, I did make it to the final interview with eight senior RAF Officers until the last question "What is your handicap?" to which I replied that I was not aware that I had a handicap - "Your Golf Handicap" was the response. So there you go, I was paid off and donned khaki.

    Tony
     
  4. Resmoroh said:

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    Tony,
    Yr last para.
    Totally, and utterley, brilliant!! I had the same sort of thing at OASC Biggin Hill a decade, or more, later!!!! Except I elected not to join RAF Air Tragic Control.
    Yrs Aye
    Peter Davies
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  5. Oggie2620 said:

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    Please let us know if you find out more about what this lady was up to. Wonder how they met and why she was chosen to do that work in the first place...
    Dee
     
  6. Tonym said:

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    Dee

    I have been struggling to find out exactly what Diana's function was with no success so far. I have been unable to find any reference to HQ Force 139, C.M.F. quoted on her CWGC Certificate.

    I am going to contact F.A.N.Y. Archives to see if they can advise but I am unsure of how generous they are with information. However, when I do get a full story I will post it here.

    Tony
     
  7. aestorm said:

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    Tony & Dee
    M Pawley's book has Guy Manning as a Flt /Lt .
    Diana's CWGC certificate has him as a F/O .I don't suppose it matters .He was probably too young to be a Flt/Lt so a mistake in the book ?

    I presume Guy Manning was in a squadron based at Bari or Brindisi ,where Diana was based

    Various branches of HQ special operations were set up in Italy [Central Mediterranean Forces] in 1944.The headquarters of Force 139 of the Czech & Polish sections was at Monopoli

    Anne
     
  8. dennis_burke said:

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    Do a google books search for "Force 139" include the word polish

    Some returns are:

    "HM Threlfall, Commander of Force 139, an SOE subgroup responsible for aid to Polish and Czech underground forces"

    "This is a report by the commander of a special combat unit (Force 139) in Ban, Italy, which provided air support for Polish and Czechoslovak resistance movements in 1943-1945 - This top-secret report was drawn up in May 1945"

    In obedience to instructions: FANY with the SOE in the Mediterranean
    Margaret Pawley - 1999 - 178 pages - Snippet view
    Force 139, code name PUNCH, was the administrative unit which organized SOE work in Central Europe, in Poland
    Dennis Burke
    - Dublin

    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com
     
  9. Errol Martyn said:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonym View Post
    FAO ERROLL
    For some unknown reason, possibly because he was described as a Pilot, I wrongly assumed that he was co-Pilot of the aircraft but Anne's post clearly indicates that he was in fact a passenger returning from his Honeymoon with his wife, a tragic nine day marriage.
    Tony
    Tony,

    I'd not read too much into the Pawley comment. Hudson's were normally crewed with two pilots. You can bet your last dollar that Manning, 'passenger' or not, was sitting in the right hand seat for the flight. It is also significant that the word 'pilot' appears against his name on the casualty message. Other casualty messages I've seen that list aircrew travelling as passengers usually list their unit but never their 'trade'.

    Errol
     
  10. Tonym said:

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    Thanks Errol

    So my initial asumption was correct.

    Tony