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    Default Miles Magister crash 5 Jun 1941 - 615 Sqn

    I have just found an entry in the 615 ORB regarding this crash in which P/O William George McDowell (62671 RAFVR) and Sgt. George McGregor Young (983178 RAFVR) were both killed.

    Can anyone give me the details of the crash and the a/c serial please?
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    Hi David,

    N3935

    Stalled at low altitude and hit ground at Horsham St.Faith, Norfolk.

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    Thanks Ross. In the ORB it was referred to as "the" Magister. Do I take it then, that squadrons often had a trainer of this type on station for practice and maybe some cheap transport?
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    Yup,

    Think of it as a pool car..used for short trips to other aerodromes to pick up spares, bods, barter. O.C. hack for conference visits etc.

    In later years the Anson provided this squadron hack/communication role doing the kipper run to the west of scotland and whiskey run to Ireland on behalf of the officer and Sergeants mess.

    During the Vulcan era at Waddington the OC used to fly the rugby team to away matches then spend the afternoon in the away team mess..one of the players was the designated driver for the night flight home..O.C. was laid out in the back.

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    That's what I figured - amazing how much one can infer from the use of a word like "the", eh?.

    The entry in the ORB is pretty succinct. Do we have any way of knowing what kind of kipper/whisky run McDowell and Young were on?
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    Sorry David,

    Due to the bulk of flights being un-authorised but condoned by authority the flight book reason would be creative.

    The best story I have for flight authorisations is from No.309 Sqn in September 1942.

    They had recently been supplied with Mustang I and Ia and one pilot was seen pouring over the fuel economy charts for the aircraft at his north Scotland training base.

    On the 28th of Sept he filed a flight authorisation for ground straffing of targets. Took off and was thought to have left to attack targets on Tain ranges.

    The ORB records:

    1942-09-28
    Dunino.
    P/O Maslankiewicz ceased attachment to No. 2 School of A.N. R.A.F. Cranage.

    Dunino.
    F/O Salski proceeded to Central Nav. School R.A.F. Cranage for short NAV. Course.

    Dunino.
    P/O Wasikowski proceeded to Central Nav. School for No. 44 Short Nav. (War) Course.

    Dalcross.
    F/O Lewkowicz carried out attack on Stavanger area with out permission.

    He was shopped by an RN submarine lying off Stavanger which saw a single engined RAF aircraft come out of cloud, shoot up the harbour and leave. They complained about the Air Ministry poaching marine targets.

    F/O Lewkowicz was let off Court Martial because he had gained authorisation for ground straffing but censured for not defining where this was to take place!

    This opened the eyes of the USAAF to the fact that they had a bomber escort that had the range to do deep escort to Germany and back.

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