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    Default Where was W/O McGregor (NZ), 247 Sqn, shot down?

    Hi,
    W/O Ronald Gregor McGregor, NZ.413869 was shot down by a Fw 190s 31.12.1944 - Typhoon MN399, ZY-M, 247 Sqn. He was to crash into a hillside west of Steinhuder See in the north of Germany. But his grave is in the Hotton War Cemetery, Région Wallonne, Belgium and the distance between those places is circa 400 km! Does anybody know why is he buried so far?
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    Mojmir,

    The following may explain - from my 'For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume Two: Fates 1943-1998)':

    New Year’s Eve 1944
    2nd TACTICAL AIR FORCE

    Long-range armed reconnaissance over the Hannover area, Germany
    247 Squadron, RAF (B78 [Eindhoven], Netherlands - 124 Wing, 83 Group)
    Typhoon IB MN399/M - took off at 1120 with eight others, being one of two which failed to return. After an uneventful outward journey two of the formation headed back directly towards base, one accompanying the other who was unable to jettison his long range tanks. The rest encountered a small locomotive and a lorry, but while attacking these NM399 and another became separated and were later bounced by three fighters. NM399 was shot down and crashed in a wooded area, where it exploded on impact. His victor survived only momentarily, being shot down in turn by the other Typhoon. Confusion exists as to MN399’s crash site, records variously recording it as near Diepenau, or on Ladbergen or Kattenvenne Moors. Postwar the pilot’s body was exhumed from a German cemetery at Ladbergen by an American graves registration unit and temporarily transferred to one of their Belgian cemeteries, near Liège at Neuville-en-Condroz. His final place of interment is further south, at Hotton.
    Pilot: NZ413869 Wt Off Ronald Gregor McGREGOR, RNZAF - Age 23. 631hrs. 40th op.

    And amendment from Vol Three:

    p305; McGREGOR, R G – on 4th line of narrative the two mentions of NM399 should read MN399. Shot down at 1130. Crashed on Kattenvenner Moor [correct spelling], about 5-10km SE of Ladbergen.

    Errol

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    Thank you very much for the quick reply, Errol. This week I am in a hurry, for that reason my thanks delayed. By the way, the Rise from the East is really worth of money.
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    Default Re Ronald Gregor McGregor

    Quote Originally Posted by vrajm View Post
    Thank you very much for the quick reply, Errol. This week I am in a hurry, for that reason my thanks delayed. By the way, the Rise from the East is really worth of money.
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    Hi
    I found your interest in Ronald McGregor and I am his second cousin His father being my Great Uncle. We are most interested in what happened to him and next year hope to visit his grave site. Would love to hear from you regarding this

    Maureen

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    Maureen,

    These bio details from my Volume Three (Biographies & Appendices) may also be of interest to you:

    McGREGOR, Warrant Officer Ronald Gregor.
    NZ413869; b Auckland 31 Jul 21; Mt Albert Grammar; wickerworker - W A Thompson & Co, Auckland. RNZAF Levin/ITW as Airman Pilot u/t 6 Jul 41, 3EFTS 19 Aug 41, emb for Canada 20 Oct 41, att RCAF 4 Nov 41, 4SFTS 8 Nov 41, Pilots Badge & Sgt 27 Feb 42, 1 Y Depôt 12 Mar 42, att RAF & emb for UK 14 Mar 42, 3PRC 28 Mar 42, 5(P)AFU 19 May 42, 57OTU (Spitfire) 9 Jun 42, 2PDC 20 Sep 42, emb for Egypt, 22PTC 21 Nov 42, 1METS (fighters) 5 Dec 42, 1ADU 15 Dec 42 [sick 16-28 Jun 43], 4ADU (various a/c types) 8 Oct 43 [hosp 9 Nov-30 Dec], to UK 7 May 44, HQ AEAF 23 May 44, HQ ADGB 1 Jun 44, 53OTU (Spitfire) r/cse 2 Jun 44, 3501 Servicing Echelon/Spitfire Pool 23 Jun 44, 17 Aircrew Personnel Centre 25 Jul 44, 80 Sqn (Spitfire) 7 Aug 44, 3TEU (Typhoon) 16 Aug 44, 83GSU (Typhoon) 3 Sep 44, 247 Sqn (Typhoon - 40 ops) 28 Sep 44, kao 31 Dec 44. Hotton War Cemetery - VIII.C.6, Luxembourg, Belgium. Son of James & Jeanie Strachan McGregor (née Kinnear), New Lynn, Auckland.

    Errol

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