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    Default Meteor losses at 206 AFS RAF Oakington 1951 to January 1953

    Can any of the wizards on this forum please help with a specific query? I am looking for the numbers (quantity) of Meteor aircraft written off or crashed at 206 AFS RAF Oakington from the start of Meteor training there (Oct 1951?) until the end of January 1953. The relevant books are not available in my local library and far too expensive from online booksellers. All replies gratefully received.

    LXXIV

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    LXXIV,

    If you have access to ABS serials you can glean details of the losses from there. You should be looking for

    EE332 - 04-Jan-52
    EE417 - 29-Apr-52
    WG992 - 05-May-52
    EE414 - 24-Jun-52
    EE465 - 30-Jun-52
    EE491 - 13-Aug-52
    EE401 - 09-Sep-52
    VZ405 - 09-Sep-52
    WG944 - 25-Nov-52
    VT306 - 02-Dec-52
    VT218 - 18-Dec-52
    WG978 - 18-Dec-52
    WG989 - 20-Apr-53
    WG971 - 17-Jun-53
    VZ406 - 10-Aug-53
    RA475 - 03-Sep-53
    VT335 - 29-Oct-53
    VT293 - 03-Nov-53
    WG982 - 03-Dec-53

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    Default Meteor Losses at Oakington

    Litcham_Lad,

    Thank you very much for the information; I don't have access to ABS serials - don't know what ABS is, even. I've tried, but can't find an online site where I can find details of those aircraft and the reasons why they were written off charge.

    Clues from anyone would be helpful, please.

    Thanks again,

    LXXIV

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    Hello

    ABS stands for Air-Britain serials.

    Colin Cumming's book would be a first-choice source for you. I understand you don't have access to them (neither have I).

    You may try the TNA online catalogue, AVIA 5 series, I'd say around AVIA 5/23. It may help you but I don't think the units would be given in the catalogue. A visit to Kew would be worthwhile, both for these files and for the ORB of the unit you're researching.

    Joss

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    If you can give us more infomation on what you're looking for I am sure someone here can help. Such as a name I am sure someone can help on this site

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    Paul

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    Hi LXXIV

    From Cummings 'Last Take Off': -

    EE332 - 04-Jan-52 - crashed in a shallow high speed dive near Melbourn, Cambridgeshire, Plt Off A T G Smith killed
    EE417 - 29-Apr-52 - dived into the ground during unauthorised low level aerobatics near Hessle, East Yorkshire, Plt Off J M Watson killed
    WG992 - 05-May-52 - undershot on landing, hit the windsock and ended up across railways lines, crew unhurt
    EE414 - 24-Jun-52 - broke up in mid-air, Plt Off G A Wedge killed
    EE465 - 30-Jun-52 - made a wheels up forced landing following a double engine failure, pilot unhurt
    EE491 - 13-Aug-52 - dived into the ground on a night solo training exercise, Plt A W R Patrick killed
    EE401 - 09-Sep-52 - lost its tail after colliding with VZ405, pilot baled out
    VZ405 - 09-Sep-52 - collided with EE401, pilot baled out
    WG944 - 25-Nov-52 - stalled at low level in the circuit and crashed near Oakington, Plt Off V D Pedley killed
    VT306 - 02-Dec-52 - hit a railway embankment after over running, pilot unhurt
    VT218 - 18-Dec-52 - collided with WG978 whilst climbing in line astern, pilot unhurt
    WG978 - 18-Dec-52 - was struck by VT218 as above, Plt Off D R Dowell killed
    WG989 - 20-Apr-53 - crashed in the circuit whilst conducting 'rollers', Plt Off S B Ford killed
    WG971 - 17-Jun-53 - flew into the ground duuring alocal flying exercise, Maj B V Vivas (Venezuelan Air Force) killed
    VZ406 - 10-Aug-53 - crashed after entering an inverted spin during an aerobatics exercise, Wg Cdr L H Trent VC, unhurt
    RA475 - 03-Sep-53 - dived into the ground Plt Off J Coupland killed
    VT335 - 29-Oct-53 - undercarriage collapsed on landing, pilot unhurt
    VT293 - 03-Nov-53 - undercarriage collapsed on landing, pilot unhurt
    WG982 - 03-Dec-53 - crashed after pilot lost control during single engine approach

    All the best

    Malcolm
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    Default Meteor Losses at Oakington

    Many thanks to all who have answered my query, which was prompted by reading part of a young pilot's memories of his arrival at Oakington in January 1953 at the commencement of his jet training. I found his whole account of arriving, visiting the scrapyard and gazing upon 'crashed Meteors as far as the eye could see' difficult to reconcile with my first hand knowledge of the place, hence my request regarding Meteor crashes between the start of Meteor flying with 206 AFS and the author's arrival.

    Again, many thanks to all,

    Best regards,

    LXXIV

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    I included brief details of the loss of T.7 WG989 on 20/4/53 in a recent book called Meteor from the Cockpit. The crash was caused by a 'Phantom Dive' in that the undercarriage was lowered with the airbrakes out. As the undercarriage came down asymmetrically on the Meteor this caused a yaw which could not be counteracted due to disturbed airflow over the rudder from the airbrakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Caygill View Post
    I included brief details of the loss of T.7 WG989 on 20/4/53 in a recent book called Meteor from the Cockpit. The crash was caused by a 'Phantom Dive' in that the undercarriage was lowered with the airbrakes out. As the undercarriage came down asymmetrically on the Meteor this caused a yaw which could not be counteracted due to disturbed airflow over the rudder from the airbrakes.
    In April 1953 the Oakington Station commander, Gp Capt Ramsey-Rae, was an old boy of the school that I attended. He invited four cadets from our school Corps who were intersted in RAF careers to spend a week in the Officers mess. each "chaperoned" by a student Piolt Officer. I was one of those and had 2 memorable flights in Meteor 7s at the age of 17.

    I wrote a thank you letter to my P/O and in his reply he told me that one of the other 3 had "pranged in" fatally when he dropped his undercarriage before retractinf the air brakes. His name was Jim Gellatly and I wonder if this is the accident that you refer to.

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