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    Hi there guys

    I have a picture of a Avro Lancaster, which I would gladly post but I'm not sure if this is possible.

    It carries no Squadron marking. The front Turret if fared over. It appears to have standard WW2 camouflage. The mid upper turret seems to contain something other than mgs, although the front of the turret is covered by the wing.

    There is a registration number forward of the crew rear door. It could be

    K8842
    K8942
    k8642
    X8842
    X8942
    X8642

    Can anyone help with an identification?

    Thanks in advance

    Roger
    Last edited by Wimpy; 11th December 2010 at 23:02.
    An American airman, was told at Briefing to ‘Go in at 30,000 feet and keep out of the flak.”
    “If I go in a 20,000 feet, what will happen?’ asked the airman.
    “You’ll probably be mentioned in despatches”, answered the officer.
    “If I go in at 10,000 feet ?“ he asked.
    “In that case you will probably get the Congress Medal”, he was told.
    "And if I go in at 5,000 feet?’ he inquired excitedly.
    “Don’t be a fool, man”, replied his superior, “you’ll go and bump into the R.A.F. at that height.”

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    From Robertson's RAF serial book:

    K8842 - Anson I
    K8942 - Whitley III
    k8642 - Queen Bee
    X8842 - Proctor IIA
    X8942 - Albacore
    X8642 - Fulmar

    Could it be KB....? Canadian built Lancs included KB700 to KB999 (with gaps). A few were partially or fully converted to transports. From my notes:

    KB842 - written off 6 March 1945 after collision during raid on Chemnitz, made it back to the UK
    KB942 - to the RCAF post war, struck off January 1947, no record of post war mods or ops

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    If you upload the picture to photobucket and paste the URL here in the thread, we can have a look at it.

    http://photobucket.com/
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    I agree - more likely in the 'KB' serial range.

    If so, from Harry Holmes' Lancaster book:

    No KB642 (KB- Lancs start with KB700)
    KB842 - 434 Sqn. Crash-landed after collision 5-6 March 1945.
    KB942 - to 420 Sqn in April 1945.

    Hope this helps a bit?

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    I cant personally make out the serial number so cant give any details on that. As for the nose turret, they were often flown over with no turrets fitted, to be completed in the UK, so an aircraft that has just arrived, either in the UK or on a Squadron would be one reason, also consistent with it having no codes. The Nash and Thompson FN 50 mid-upper turret was fitted to the early Canadian Lancasters (before changed to the Martin electric mid-upper), so that would also be consistent with an early Canadian built aircraft. The bomb doors with the double curved rear were also features on early Canadian Lancasters, something that married with the mid-under turret, which had all but disappeared from UK built aircraft.

    I dont think the mid-upper has an oildrum in it, its just turret gubbins. The airman on the right is interesting. he seems to be wearing a blue service dress tunic and khaki trousers. The RAF had blue uniform all year but a khaki 'tropical service dress' for wear in the middle east etc. However the Canadian air force had a summer dress which was khaki. As he is wearing a mixture, its possible the photo was taken in Canada, before delivery to the UK, with the airman wearing a mixture of summer and winter uniform.

    As mentioned, if a Canadian Lanc, it couldnt really feature on the ops mentioned, but it could simply have been a photo sent by a colleague on the Squadron which your mother assumed was their specific aircraft.

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    An interesting thread. Thanks for the reminder about Canadian aircraft ferrying without turrets, Airman1.

    My understanding is that about 3/4 of the early Canadian built aircraft were ferried to the UK without any turrets. This may be an aircraft midway through the process of having turrets installed in the UK. This would date the photo between late 1943 and mid 1944.

    Concerning the airman, is it possible that he is wearing a service jacket over white coveralls? Some RCAF mechanics did use white coveralls during the war. At least, they started out white ....

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    Sorry that extra information has caused confusion. This photo was a memento for my mother, both the airmen mention died in Lancasters, my mother just had the picture as a poignant reminder to her. The only connection between them and the aircraft shown is the note on the back added by my Mom.

    Roger
    An American airman, was told at Briefing to ‘Go in at 30,000 feet and keep out of the flak.”
    “If I go in a 20,000 feet, what will happen?’ asked the airman.
    “You’ll probably be mentioned in despatches”, answered the officer.
    “If I go in at 10,000 feet ?“ he asked.
    “In that case you will probably get the Congress Medal”, he was told.
    "And if I go in at 5,000 feet?’ he inquired excitedly.
    “Don’t be a fool, man”, replied his superior, “you’ll go and bump into the R.A.F. at that height.”

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    It's definitely not an Anson.

    Do you have a forum album in photobucket. If so how do I access it? I have my own account on Photobucket.

    I think the KB idea looks a winner.

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    An American airman, was told at Briefing to ‘Go in at 30,000 feet and keep out of the flak.”
    “If I go in a 20,000 feet, what will happen?’ asked the airman.
    “You’ll probably be mentioned in despatches”, answered the officer.
    “If I go in at 10,000 feet ?“ he asked.
    “In that case you will probably get the Congress Medal”, he was told.
    "And if I go in at 5,000 feet?’ he inquired excitedly.
    “Don’t be a fool, man”, replied his superior, “you’ll go and bump into the R.A.F. at that height.”

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    You'll need to use your own album.
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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    http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/DiggerDan/UPLOADS/?action=view&current=P1050634.jpg

    Hope it works
    An American airman, was told at Briefing to ‘Go in at 30,000 feet and keep out of the flak.”
    “If I go in a 20,000 feet, what will happen?’ asked the airman.
    “You’ll probably be mentioned in despatches”, answered the officer.
    “If I go in at 10,000 feet ?“ he asked.
    “In that case you will probably get the Congress Medal”, he was told.
    "And if I go in at 5,000 feet?’ he inquired excitedly.
    “Don’t be a fool, man”, replied his superior, “you’ll go and bump into the R.A.F. at that height.”

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