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82 Squadron

82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
16:43:48 Monday, February 11, 2002
Post:
On the 27th May, 1941, six Blenheims MKIV from Malta attacked a convoy damaging an Italian frighter but losing two a/c in return. The crew were Sgt Austin R J, Sgt Collins K P, Flt Lt Fairbairn G M, Plt Off Higgins P J, Sgt Inman E B and Sgt Kemp S W. Does anyone pls know the serial number of the downed a/c's and to which aircraft the crew belonged to.

Thanking you for your help.

Regards

Kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: dg (Guest)
Time Stamp:
00:30:02 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
F/L Fairburn was piloting Z6427

Sgt Inman was piloting V6460


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
13:31:29 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
Hi DG,

Thanks for the info. Do you know who were the other two airmen with Sgt.Inman pls.

TID for your help.

Regards

Kevin



RE: 82 Squadron
Author: dg (Guest)
Time Stamp:
16:42:12 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
Info regarding losses from P.223 of Shores' "Malta: the Hurricane Years" and gives no information regarding other crew members of either Blenheim


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
17:47:38 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
Hi Kevin,

As noted by DG and Errol about 85% of your questions are covered in Shores. "Hurricane Years" and "Spitfire Year".

As for Inman. His crew was:

Sgt E Inman

Sgt K Collins

Sgt R Austin

Regards

Ross



RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:03:28 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
Thankyou you all for your help.

Regards

Kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
20:05:03 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
Does anyone pls know where is Sgt. Collins K P commemorated, his full name and serial number?

TID

Regards

Kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
20:21:39 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
Hi Kevin,

Sgt Collins was taken POW

Regards

Ross



RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:38:17 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
Hi Ross,

Are we talking about the same Sgt. Collins K P because he is listed on the roll of honour issued by the Malta Museum and his date of death of death is 27/05/01.

TID

Regards

Kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
22:10:01 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
sorry i meant date of death 27/05/41

regards

kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
22:29:47 Monday, March 11, 2002
Post:
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 03-Nov-02 AT 10:31 PM (GMT)[/font][p]Hi Kevin,

I do not have a copy of the Italian POW lists to hand but:

ORB for No.82 Sqn lists crew as Sgt K Collins. Later it notes that "Sgt Collins reported as POW by Red Cross". No listing of any K or K P Collins in CWGC database to agree with details from Museum.

The ORB may mean another Collins but since the CWGC database has no entry then I think that the published Museum entry may be wrong.

Regards

Ross



RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
00:01:06 Thursday, April 11, 2002
Post:
Hi Ross,

Yeah like you said, Sgt Collins is not mentioned on the CWGC database as i checked that earlier. I will check with the Museum and will let you know. In the meantime, thankyou for the info.

Regards

Kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
18:39:05 Thursday, July 11, 2002
Post:
Hi Ross,

I met Fredrick Galea yesterday (Brian Cull and Fredrick Galea "Hurricanes over Malta June 1940 - April 1942")who is also the secretary of the National War Museum Malta and informed him about Sgt Collins and they have infact changed their records accordingly.

By any chance would you know please if he survived the war or maybe when was he released so that they can add on the information.

TIA for your help.

Regards

Kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Pelham H Temple (Guest)
Time Stamp:
09:39:47 Sunday, August 11, 2002
Post:
Hi Kevin.

Perhaps this will clear the problem of Sgt K.P.Collins up.

T/o Luqa, Malta. One of six Blenheims sent to attack a large axis convoy making for Tripoli, Libya. This Blenheim was destroyed in the resulting explosion when it dropped its bombs on one of the ships, not only was this aircraft destroyed but also Blenheim V6427 which was following. Sgt Collins the Observer on V6460 was the only survivor and was picked up by the Italian destroyer Cigno, and taken to Tripoli as a prisoner of war. He lost his left leg because of the attack, and was repatriated in April 1943 together with other seriously wounded prisoners. The lost crewmembers are commemorated on the Malta Memorial, Malta.

If you have or can find a copy of Theo Boitens Bristol Blenheim, Published by The Crowood Press in 1997 ISBN 1 86126 115 2. You will find on page 105 a photo of Sgt Collins at Lisbon Station on the 18th April 1943 awaiting a ship as a repatriated combatant due to sever wounds.

Pel



RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Pelham H Temple (Guest)
Time Stamp:
10:12:32 Sunday, August 11, 2002
Post:
Kevin this is the official Italian report on the action.

(1) On 27 May 1941 six Bristol-Blenheims (Malta based) attacked Italian shipping at 13.00 Italian Time) this is the first reported low altitude bombing attack on Mediterranean shipping.

Convoy was formed of following merchant vessels: GRITTI; BARBARIGO; VENIER; FOSCARINI; RIALTO; and ANKARA (German).

Convoy escort formed of: DD - DA NOLI; VIVALDI; SAETTA and DE - PROCIONE; PALLADE; CASTORE; PEGASO; CIGNO.

M/V VENIER is hit by one bomb that did not explode and was removed and thrown into the sea.

M/V FOSCARINI is hit also and has fire on board. Fire is extinguished and she reaches Tripoli under tow.

Two planes are shot down by AA fire and crash at sea. It is not possible to determine which ship hit the planes as they were holding a close formation and everybody was firing at the same time.

DE - CIGNO recovered one British crewmember (Sgt. K.P. COLLINS of 82nd Sq. R.A.F) that was injured.

By the way the reason for a lot of the losses because of bomb explosions in the ME whilst attacking shipping, were due to the wrong type of fuses being used. A similar thing happened with the Argentines in the Falklands but in their case the aircraft were dropping the bombs too low and the fusing mechanism failed to function because of the height.

Pel


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Pelham H Temple (Guest)
Time Stamp:
10:24:27 Sunday, August 11, 2002
Post:
Kevin,

Sorry I should have added that the Brits say the loss was through one of their bombs and the Italians AA. I am not sure myself on this one but I took the Brit report for the reason for the loss.



RE: 82 Squadron
Author: kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
18:41:06 Sunday, August 11, 2002
Post:
Dear Pelham,

Thank you so much for all the info which I will pass on to the War Museum. Another roll of honour is being published soon here in Malta and with this info Sgt. Colins will for sure not be listed. They knew so little about Sgt Collins and he was presumed dead.

Thanks once again.

Regards

Kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Pelham H Temple (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:09:53 Sunday, August 11, 2002
Post:
Kevin, Could you send me your email address as I have recently returned form Malta and have a considerable amount of information as to RAF RAAF SAAF etc who were lost on missions from Malta and are not on the Malta R of H. I did whilst I was out there get a copy of "Lest we Forget" that on inspection is riddle with errors, that I would only be to pleased to pass on my info to the Malta Memorial.

Pel

My email address is P.H.Temple.A T.btinternet.com


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Jim Robinson (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:46:19 Sunday, August 11, 2002
Post:
Don't know if it helps but there is a recently published book, The Bristol Blenheim, a complete history by Graham Warner. No idea how comprehensive it is but I believe it includes all losses. The review in Flypast was quite glowing.

Jim


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:55:29 Sunday, August 11, 2002
Post:
Dear Jim,

I have in fact ordered the book you mentioned from the UK. Unfortunately it is not available here at the moment and I should have it in about 2 weeks. I hope it does include all the losses.

Regards

Kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Pelham H Temple (Guest)
Time Stamp:
20:56:30 Sunday, August 11, 2002
Post:
Kevin,

The book is excellent, I have a copy myself, I worked with Graham on the Middle East entries, but unfortunately because I was only asked by Graham six months before publication to check over his entries on the Middle East, many additional crew and errors could not be corrected, but this is not a problem as Crecy publications are going to issue a CD with all of the corrections for the Middle East and any others that arise. I have submitted at least 80 to 100 crews to him over the past couple of months. These are not errors but lost crew members.

Pel


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Kevin (Guest)
Time Stamp:
21:13:17 Sunday, August 11, 2002
Post:
Dear Pel,

I have tried sending you an e-mail. I don't know if you received it or not cos it seems my e-mail is not working right today. Pls let me know if you received it and if not I will try and send you one again tomorrow if i get it fixed.

Thankx once again for your help.

Regards

Kevin


RE: 82 Squadron
Author: sm (Guest)
Time Stamp:
12:22:35 Wednesday, June 12, 2002
Post:
Hi Ross

I have looked though the ORB'S to 82 Squadron many time's in the past, but have never see any mention of the Red-cross and Sgt Collins,in it ? is this a sub-section or part of the ORB it self?

any help

Sean



RE: 82 Squadron
Author: Ross_McNeill
Time Stamp:
12:52:00 Wednesday, June 12, 2002
Post:
Hi Sean,

If I remember correctly it was in an appendix and several weeks after the event.

Either AIR27/685 or AIR50/196

Regards

Ross