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WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES

WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: jonny956
Time Stamp:
03:42:51 Thursday, March 23, 2006
Post:
Someone on the Forum recently asked a question ref Medical catagories in use during WW2. Unfortunatly I can't remember who, so apologies. I found the following in KRs for the RAF 1942 (quote):

1434. Findings of Boards. - Officers will be classified in respect of their medical fitness to perform both air and ground duties within the standards laid down, in accordance with the following procedure:-

(a) The letter "A" will represent "FITNESS FOR AIR DUTIES" and "B" will represent "FITNESS FOR GROUND DUTIES."

(b) A series of numerals qualify fitness for air duties will be added, as requisite, after the letter "A", viz:-

1. full flying duties.

2. limited flying duties.

3. combatant passenger (piloting excluded).

4. non-combatant passenger.

(c) Letters will subsequently be added after both "A" and "B" for the purpose of indicating limitations of fitness, as follows:-

h. home service (including service in one of H.M. ships based on a home port so long as the ship is not ordered to tropical waters) and service in Western Europe unless the latter is specifically excluded by the medical board.

t. temporary unfit.

p. permanently unfit.

Unless otherwise indicated an officer will be assumed to be fit for general service.

(End quote)

I hope this helps someone!

Rgds

Jon



RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: Peter Davies (Guest)
Time Stamp:
15:51:20 Thursday, March 23, 2006
Post:
You may wish to know that by 1954 my Airman's Service Book (RAF F 64) records that my Medical Category was A4 G1. I presume the 'A4' was the same category as in yr earlier. The 'G1', then, probably, referred to Ground Duties. It appeared, therefore, that I was fit enough to be a 'non-combatant passenger' (which I was on many occasions) and fit for anything on the Ground (which I was on many occasions)! Although whether I was 'fit' after some of those Ground Duties is a matter of debate!

Yrs Aye

Peter



RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: jonny956
Time Stamp:
16:30:54 Thursday, March 23, 2006
Post:
Peter,

I am not sure when they changed the system of grading, but my own Med Cat was the same as yours in the 80s. I am aware that certain caveats are now placed on the Cats e.g. Home Service only. Why they changed a perfectly good system is beyond me, but then again most decisions made by the MOD take some pondering!

Rgds

Jon


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: Peter Davies (Guest)
Time Stamp:
16:45:48 Thursday, March 23, 2006
Post:
At one stage I was A4 G1 Z1, although what, precisely, the 'Z' Cat was I never discovered! Perhaps it might have been 'Intellectual Ability' - i.e. "this idiot will do whatever he's told"!!!!!

A whole new area of Air Force research opens up in front of us - as if we haven't got enough to cope with already!!!

Yrs Aye

Peter



RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: CZ_RAF
Time Stamp:
20:11:36 Thursday, March 23, 2006
Post:
[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 23-Mar-06 AT 08:12 PM (GMT)[/font][p]Hi Jon,

it was me!

Thanks a lot for your post, it is very helpful for me.

I was asking for category A3b which I have found in record of one airmen who was flying as navigator in RAF.

So it means FITNESS FOR AIR DUTIES, combatant passenger. It is quite correct but what about the letter "b" on the third position?

Anyway thanks once more for your great help!

Pavel


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: jonny956
Time Stamp:
20:49:55 Thursday, March 23, 2006
Post:
Pavel,

Sorry my friend the letter 'b' dosn't appear to exist in the '42 edition. Is it a typo? Could it be an 'h'?

Rgds

Jon


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: cz_raf (Guest)
Time Stamp:
19:03:41 Sunday, March 26, 2006
Post:
Hi Jon,

thanks for your advice! I was thinking about the same! I need to check the reocrds once more.

Thanks once more

Pavel


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: Terry
Time Stamp:
03:31:06 Monday, March 27, 2006
Post:
Pavel, I suspect you will find that it is not a typo. I have just checked several Form 373s (Record Card) for various WW2 officers who were flight-crew and all have a 'B' after the 'A' and the numeral. One even has a med grading of A1B1. I will be able to check RNZAF Administrative Orders for the WW2 period tomorrow and will see if I can find something. Regards, Terry


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: CZ_RAF
Time Stamp:
08:56:20 Monday, March 27, 2006
Post:
Hi Terry,

thanks for your note. I thik so. I was pre-printed form which was just filled by the Medical board...

Thanks

Pavel


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: John (Guest)
Time Stamp:
15:20:40 Monday, March 27, 2006
Post:
All through my raf service 43/48 I was medically graded as A1B never really knew what it meant.Was there an A1A?

John


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: CZ_RAF
Time Stamp:
16:13:42 Monday, March 27, 2006
Post:
Hi John,

thanks for your post! You have saved my time to check the records once more!

So if you have been A1B it can be also A3B category!

Could anybody help us with the "B"?:-)

Pavel


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: Terry
Time Stamp:
03:14:15 Tuesday, March 28, 2006
Post:
Pavel, I had hoped to be able to provide a positive response. I checked the RNZAF Administrative Orders for 39 - 42 but no luck, although there was mention that those becoming WOP/AG had to have a medical standard of A3B. I also checked Regulations for the RAF dated 53 and 64 but no luck.

Referring to other replies in this thread, both the last mentioned volumes listed the gradings under the PULHEEMS System where you are given an AGZ grade; within each letter there are five grades where 1 is the highest and five is the lowest. The A refers to your aircrew grading, the G is your general fitness grading, and the Z refers to your ability to serve in various climatic areas with 1 being anywhere and 5 being restricted to home service only. PULHEEMS and the AGZ system are still in use today. Regards, Terry


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: jonny956
Time Stamp:
03:20:31 Tuesday, March 28, 2006
Post:
Pavel,

Just a thought, the paragraph that I quoted in my initial post does not seem to cover overseas theatres at all i.e. just Home Service/Temporary unfit/permanently unfit. It don't help in deciphering the 'b' but it may indicate additional catagories not mentioned in this section of KRs.

Rgds

Jon

P.S. I will keep hunting!


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: CZ_RAF (Guest)
Time Stamp:
14:26:49 Tuesday, March 28, 2006
Post:
Thanks to all for your help!

If anybody will found something more I will be glad to hear from you here or on my e-mail cz_raf (at) yahoo.com

Thanks

Pavel


RE: WW2 RAF MEDICAL CATAGORIES
Author: Rene Romainville (Guest)
Time Stamp:
15:33:57 Tuesday, March 28, 2006
Post:
Hello Pavel,

on a record I saw the following :

- Med cat grade 1 / F.2171. 21ACSB / rec for trng as WO(A):

F47 A Fit : A1B (NVC), A3B (Turret)(NVC), A3B (NVC), A3B(vision), A3b (Radio)

the other record are showing the following :

F.2171. N%B010 ACSB Rec for training as WO.AG.

Form.2171. N%B07 ACSB rec for training as Pilot/obs

Best regards

Rene