400913 - Unaccounted airmen - 13-9-1940

[Henk Welting]

What caused the death of and what were the places of death tregistration for:

AC2 Alec A. BURGESS - 1156188 - 600 Sqn (Redhill, Surrey) - died of wounds or injuries received on active service;
Sgt (Pilot u/t) EDGAR, Dermot D.S. - 741642 - killed on active service;
F/O (Pilot) Grosvenor L. EDMONDS - 41565 - 613 Sqn (Firbeck, Yorkshire) - died of wounds or injuries received on active service, and
P/O (Pilot) John W. HIND-SMITH - 84335 - killed on active service.

Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

Harvard I - N7174 - CFS - crashed in forced landing near Grimston, Norfolk;
Magister I - T9746 - 24 EFTS - crashed on approach Hatfield;
Spitfire I - K9967 - 7 OTU - crashed, location not known,
Spitfire I - X4159 - 7 OTU - dived into ground Tatton Hall near Broxton, Cheshire.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[Dick]

Hi Henk
Edgar,20,is registered in W Cheshire which is the right office for Broxton, Hind-Smith,27, is registered at Devizes,Wiltshire. The other 2 don't come up so may be in Scotland
Regards
Dick

[davew]

Henk

Edmunds is registered at Worksop, Notts which is near the Netherthorpe Airfield, Yorks. Possibly in hospital there after being involved in the crash of Lysander P1692 on the 6th

Hind Smith was killed in Harvard N7174 at Casterley Camp, Netheravon.

regards

DaveW

[Amrit]

Edgar was killed in X4159 when the Spitfire crashed due to oxygen failure

[paulmcmillan]

"Spitfire I - K9967 - 7 OTU - crashed, location not known, "


It crash-landed at Hawarden (or Hawkinge) - However I also have the date as both 14-9-40 and 13-9-40 from difference sources

As 7 OTU was at Hawarden I would suggest this is the correct location

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Gents for all your support.

Henk.

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

400913 - Unaccounted Airmen - 13-09-1940

From Henk's List -

UK

BERGESS, Alec Arthur - AC2c - 1156188 - RAFVR - 600 Sqn..
Frome ( Vallis Road) Cemetery, Somerset.
Killed during an Air Raid on RAF Hornchurch.

GREEN, Donald - Sgt - 645358 - RAF.
Elgin New Cemetery, Moray.
Cause of death, was a pillion rider of a motorcycle in collision with a fuel Bowser.

From CWGC -

AUSTRALIA
PARBUTT, Percy Francis - AC1c - 17525 - RAAF.
Perth War Cemetery and Annex,Western Australia, Australia.
Cause of death. Found on a beach with bullet wound to the head.

FRANCE
DICKINSON, Richard Cuthbert - Sgt - 525760 - RAF - DFC.
HOW, Douglas James - F/Lt - 37806 - RAF - DFC.
These two airmen rest at Boulogne Eastern Cemetery, Pas-de-Calais, France.
BROOKER, Alec Albert - Sgt - 742459 - RAFVR.
Wimereux Communal Cemetery, Pas-de-Calais, France.
These three airmen were crew of Hampden I - X2922 - 61 Sqn.

NORWAY
GARFIELD, Walter James - Sgt - 740997 - RAFVR.
Bergen (Mollendal ) Cemetery, Norway.
Blenheim IV - L9451 - 248 Sqn.

UK
EDGAR, Dermot David Samuel - Sgt - 741642 - RAFVR.
Bushey (St.James) Churchyard, Herefordshire.
Spitfire Ia - X4159 - 7 OTU.

EDMONDS, Grosvenor Louis - F/O - 41565 - RAF.
Workshop (Retford Road) Cemetery, Nottinghamshire.
Lysander I - P1692 - 613 Sqn.

HIND-SMITH, John Wilson - P/O - 84335 - RAFVR.
Upavon Cemetery, Wiltshire.
Harvard I - N7174 - CFS.

LANE, Tom Hwfa Nixon - P/O - 76916 - RAFVR.
Hampden I - X2922 - 61 Sqn.

KAY, Archibald - Sgt - 647610 - RAF.
MESNER, Bertram William - Sgt - 745987 - RAFVR.
These two airmen were crew of Hampden I - L9451 - 248 Sqn.

These three airmen are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.

HARWIN, Edward George Robert - PO(A) - FX/80151 - HMS Daedalus - RN.
MAUNDER, John Richard - NA1c - FX/82141 - HMS Sparrowhawk - RN.
These two Naval Airmen rest at Haugesund (Rossebo) Var Frelserscem, Norway.
They were crew of Skua - L2912 - 801 Sqn FAA,RN.

BERNDT, Fritz Ernst Willi - GAF.
ELSTER, Johannes Artur Georg - GAF.
OKUNECK, Herbert - GAF.
These three German Airmen rest at Cannock Chase German Military Cemetery, Staffordshire.
Cause of death ?

Alex

[malcolm_raf]

Hi

BERGESS, Alec Arthur - He was actually killed in an enemy air raid at Oldchurch Hospital whilst recuperating from injuries sustained during air raid at RAF Hornchurch.

Malcolm

[Alex Smart]

Thank you Malcolm, extra details are most welcome.

[CZ_RAF]

Alex,

BERNDT, Fritz Ernst Willi - GAF.
ELSTER, Johannes Artur Georg - GAF.
OKUNECK, Herbert - GAF.

Wappler, Harry Oblt 7/2/1912 8/KG-27 (Rennes) He 111P Werk # 2670 "1G + DS" (lost 9/13/40)

POW 13 September, 1940; hit a barrage balloon and crashed into a house in Newport, pilot bailed safely. Remaining crew (KIA & bur Cannock Chase, Block 7): Nav Uffz Fritz Berndt (Grave 295); R/O Ofw Johannes Elster (Grave 294) and Gnr Uffz Herbert Okuneck (Grave 296). Added: Wappler and Lt Heinz Schnabel escaped from Shap Wells POW Camp (Cumberland) in a stolen Miles Magister in November, 1941. However, running low on fuel, they returned to Norfolk and were re-captured and transferred to a POW Camp in Canada (D.Drury).

Pavel

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