400530 - Unaccounted airmen - 30-5-1940

[paulmcmillan]

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Sgt Harold Ralph BIRCH - 754144

From 10 EFTS ORB:

Yatesbury May 30 1940. No. 754144 Sgt H R Birch, pilot under training lost his life when on duty at a gun post through being struck by a Tiger Moth which was taking off.

[Martyn A Critchlow]

AIR 81/762 1940 Jan 01 – 1940 Dec 31
Aircraftman 1st Class J C Ryan and
Aircraftman 1st Class P G E Sword:
report of deaths; enemy action whilst on board HMS Bideford, 31 May 1940

Martyn






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Henk Welting (Guest) (3300 posts)

01-Nov-07, 03:23 PM (GMT)

"'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

What caused the death of the following airmen:

P/O John E.M. COLLINS - 41830 - 22 Sqn (Beaufort - North Coates/Lincolnshire), commemorated on Panel 7 of the Runnymede Memorial.

Can't find a matching Beaufort serial number.


P/O (Pilot) Thomas E.S. CROSSMAN - 72073 - missing believed killed on active service (Flight Global), buried Bockhurst (St.John The Baptist) Churchyard, Chigwell, Essex (UK3455).


Sgt (Pilot) Robert H. JACK - 754095 - whose name I can't find in The Times and Flight Global archives, buried Cathcart Cem., Dunbartonshire (UK7798).


AC1 James C. RYAN - 637135 - killed on active service, buried Kilgobbin Old Church Cem., Dublin (IRL108).


AC1 William H. SMYTHE - 634466 - whose name I can't find in The Times and Flight Global archives, buried Crompton Cem., Lancashire (UK554).


AC1 Patrick G.E. SWORD - 637552 - killed on active service (Flight Global), buried Folkestone New Cem., Hawkinge, Kent (UK3947).


Suggested aircraft write-offs for this day:


Blenheim I - L1296 - 2 SAC - crashed on take-off Andover.

Harvard I - N7003 - 14 FTS - crashed in forced landing East End, Bedfordshire (two East Ends in Bedfordshire, one near Kempston, the other near Wilden).

Harvard I - P5813 - 14 FTS - crashed in forced landing North Crawley, Buckinghamshire.

Hurricane I - N2709 - 245 Sqn - crashed in forced landing near Southend.

Master I - N7556 - 8 FTS - broke up (in air) 3 miles N of Banchory, Aberdeenshire (already as a casualty: Sgt (Pilot u/t) William T. PIGOTT - 754458, buried Fullham New Cem., Richmond, Surrey ).

Master I - N7630 - 8 FTS - broke up (in air) 3 miles N of Banchory, Aberdeenshire.

Tiger Moth - K4244 - 18 EFTS - crashed on landing, Fairoaks.

Tiger Moth II - N6590 - 9 EFTS - dived into ground Moleswood Farm, near Anstey (suggest location is Mobbs Wood Farm, Anstey - 140/425826).


Regards and thanks for your help.

Henk.



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RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-194... DaveW 01-Nov-07 1

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-194... Henk Welting (Guest) 01-Nov-07 2

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-194... Finn Buch (Guest) 01-Nov-07 3

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-194... Henk Welting (Guest) 02-Nov-07 4

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DaveW (714 posts)

01-Nov-07, 05:22 PM (GMT)

1. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

Henk

Date should be 31st?


Crossman at Rugby TM N6590 at Anstey?


Jack died of injuries at Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, possibley associated with the crash of Master N6730 north of Banchory.


Smythe at Saffron Walden no suggestion


Sword is not listed in England Wales or Scotland so possibly in Ireland.


Collins is not listed in Ross's Coastal losses


Pigot and N7556 came to grief at Laurencekirk in Kincardineshire


Regards


DaveW



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Henk Welting (Guest) (3300 posts)

01-Nov-07, 05:57 PM (GMT)

2. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

Oooops.......big mistake !

Of course date was 31th May 1940.

Thanks Dave for your info.


Regards,

Henk.



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Finn Buch (Guest) (273 posts)

01-Nov-07, 09:49 PM (GMT)

3. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

Hello Henk,

A missing digit - 229 Sqn. So it must be a Hurricane. I have no serial number.



P/O John E.M. COLLINS - 41830 - 22 Sqn (Beaufort - North Coates/Lincolnshire), commemorated on Panel 7 of the Runnymede Memorial.

Can't find a matching Beaufort serial number.


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AC1 James C. RYAN - 637135 - killed on active service, buried Kilgobbin Old Church Cem., Dublin (IRL108).


51 Wing*


AC1 Patrick G.E. SWORD - 637552 - killed on active service (Flight Global), buried Folkestone New Cem., Hawkinge, Kent (UK3947).


51 Wing*


*Could be a connection?



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Finn Buch




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Henk Welting (Guest) (3300 posts)

02-Nov-07, 02:51 PM (GMT)

4. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

Thanks Finn for additional info. Especially for P/O J.E.M. COLLINS - 229 Sqn in lieu of 22 Sqn.

229 Sqn lost 31-5-1940 Hurricane I serial L1982.

Regards,

Henk.



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dg (Guest) (99 posts)

02-Nov-07, 07:17 PM (GMT)

5. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 30-5-1940"

Henk,

From AB Serials P1000-R9999


229s Hurricane P3553 also lost off Dunkerque on this date. Have note that P/O VBS Verity was aboard. Are you able to confirm this?


dg

[jonheyworth]

William John Wright 936671 , attached to Number 2 Base area, was killed in a road accident between Bouaye and Bougenais

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

400530 - Unaccounted Airmen 30-05-1940

From Henk's list -

FRANCE
WRIGHT, William John - AC2c - 936671 - RAFVR.
Nantes ( Pont-Du-Cens ) Communal Cemetery, Loire-Atlantique, France.
Cause of death and Unit ?

UK
BIRCH , Harold Ralph - Sgt - 754144 - RAFVR.
Yatesbury ( All Saints ) Churchyard, Wiltshire, UK.
Cause of death ? Hit by Tiger Moth - G-AESM - 10 EFTS.

BUTLER, Robert Edwin ( Irish Republic) - F/Lt - 74959 - RAF.
Dundee Crematorium, Angus, UK.
Cause of death ?

MOUNTAIN, Geoffrey Maurice - AC2c - 939990 - RAFVR.
Leeds (Lawnswood ) Crematorium, Yorkshire, UK.
Cause of death ?

JOHNSON, Oliver Powell - P/O - 91109 - RAF (AAF) - 611 Sqn.
Over Wallop ( St. Peter ) Churchyard, Hampshire, UK.
Master I - N7706 - 15 FTS.
Some sources have the Sirname as CROOM-JOHNSON.

From CWGC -

BELGIUM
ADAMS, James Campbell - AC2c - 630069 - RAF - 38 Sqn.
BAYNES, Roy - P/O - 42479 - RAF - 38 Sqn.
DOLAN, John - Sgt - 902515 - RAFVR - 38 Sqn.
KNIGHT, John - Sgt - 581515 - RAF - 38 Sqn.
ROSEWARNE, Vivian Allen - F/O - 40021 - RAF - 38 Sqn.
SPENCER, Dennis Douglas George - Sgt - 755611 - RAFVR - 38 Sqn.
These six airmen rest at Veurne Communal Cemetery Extension, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium.
They were crew of Wellington Ic - R3162 - 38 Sqn.

NETHERLANDS
GILES, Frank Howard - Lac - 812052 - RAF - 500 Sqn.
Ameland (Nes) General Cemetery, Friesland, Netherlands.
Anson I - N5227 - 500 Sqn.

UK
AYRE, George Desmonde - F/O - 90330 - RAF(AAF) - 609 Sqn.
Northwood Cemetery, Middlesex, UK.
Spitfire I - L1086 - 609 Sqn.

YOUNG, James Cameron - P/O - 41094 - RAF - 99 Sqn.
New Shildon ( All Saints ) Churchyard, Durham, UK.
Wellington 1c - P9241 - 99 Sqn.

MURRIN, Herbert Kitchener - LA - FX.76383 - HMS Kestrel - RN - 825 Sqn FAA, RN.
Lee-on-Solent Memorial, Hampshire, UK.
Swordfish - L2756 - 825 Sqn FAA, RN.

The following six airmen are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial Surrey, UK.

BARTLETT, Albert Victor Norman - P/O - 78669 - RAF - 269 Sqn.
HAMMOND, William Newell - P/O - 43136 - RAF - 269 Sqn.
TOWNSEND, Albert Allen - Sgt - 580215 - RAF - 269 Sqn.
These three airmen were crew of Hudson I - N7335 - 269 Sqn.

JOHNSON, Herbert William - Sgt - 521711 - RAF - 500 Sqn.
SOPER, Russell George Theophilus - F/Sgt - 903332 - RAFVR - 500 Sqn.
WHEELWRIGHT, Irvine Syme - P/O - 91003 - RAF(AAF) - 500 Sqn.
These three airmen were crew of Anson I - N5227 - 500 Sqn.

Alex

[wwrsimon]

Alex

BUTLER, Robert Edwin ( Irish Republic) - F/Lt - 74959 - the Stautory Deaths Register on the Scotland's People website records that he died at 4.45 a.m. at the Royal Infirmary, Dundee, due to injuries sustained by a self-inflicted gunshot wound. His age is given as 48, whereas the CWGC entry has 50.

Regards

Simon

[malcolm_raf]

Hi

Wright - No 2 Base Area

Malcolm

[jonheyworth]

Geoffrey Maurice Mountain 939990 , attached to Number 6 SOTT, was admitted to RAF hospital Cosford on 28 May where he died of jaundice