400602 - "'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940"

[Martyn A Critchlow]

LAWSON:

AIR 81/771 1940 Jan 01 – 1951 Dec 31
Leading Aircraftman L J Hunt,
Leading Aircraftman A Lockwood
reports of death,
Corporal R C Lawson and
Pilot Officer C Collings:
missing presumed dead; Seaplane Tender 243 sunk by enemy action in the English Channel, 2 June 1940

Martyn



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Henk Welting (Guest) (3305 posts)

03-Nov-07, 02:58 PM (GMT)

"'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940"

What caused the death of following airmen, missing believed killed on action (Flight Global) and commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial:

F/O George H. STEPHENS - 37895 - Panel 6

P/O Frank E. BYERLEY - 77469 - Panel 7

Cpl Roy C. LAWSON - 521169 - Panel 22, and


LAC Robert A.D. HOBSON - 528329 - whose name I van't find in the Flight Global archives (and having problems to enter the newspaper section of The Times archives), commemorated on Panel 14 of the Manchester Crematorium (UK717A).


Regards and thanks for your help.

Henk.






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KenMaclean (Guest) (1 posts)

03-Nov-07, 05:10 PM (GMT)

1. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940"

Henk,

Times Honour Roll 22 June 1940. LAC R.A.D. Hobson died on active service.



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Henk Welting (Guest) (3305 posts)

04-Nov-07, 10:12 AM (GMT)

2. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940"

Thanks Ken for your help.

Regards,

Henk.

[Martyn A Critchlow]

LOCKWOOD

AIR 81/771 1940 Jan 01 – 1951 Dec 31
Leading Aircraftman L J Hunt,
Leading Aircraftman A Lockwood
reports of death,
Corporal R C Lawson and
Pilot Officer C Collings:
missing presumed dead; Seaplane Tender 243 sunk by enemy action in the English Channel, 2 June 1940

Martyn




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Henk Welting. (Guest) (12 posts)

03-Nov-07, 02:48 PM (GMT)

"'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

What caused the death of following airmen:

LAC Archie LOCKWOOD - 520825 - missing believed killed on action (Flight Global), buried Longuenesse (St.Omer) Souvenir Cem., Pas-de-Calais (FR329), and


LAC Archibald H. NICOLL - 348549 - 85 Sqn (Hurricanes - Lille-Seclin) - missing (Flight Global), buried Etaples Mil. Cem., Pas-de-Calais (FR262).


Regards and thanks for your help.

Henk.



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RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940... Finn Buch (Guest) 03-Nov-07 1

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940... Dick 03-Nov-07 2

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940... Henk Welting (Guest) 04-Nov-07 3

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940... Finn Buch (Guest) 04-Nov-07 4

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940... Dick 04-Nov-07 5

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940... Dick 04-Nov-07 6

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940... Henk Welting (Guest) 05-Nov-07 7

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940... Ross_McNeill 07-Nov-07 8

RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940... Henk Welting (Guest) 07-Nov-07 9





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Finn Buch (Guest) (275 posts)

03-Nov-07, 08:51 PM (GMT)

1. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

Hello Henk,

LAC Archie LOCKWOOD - 520825 (RAF Calshot)


Please refer to my earlier inquiry concerning LAC Lawrence John Hunt, 549999 on 23-Aug-07.


Can't find the thread again.


Best regards


Finn Buch



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Dick (637 posts)

03-Nov-07, 09:50 PM (GMT)

2. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

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Hi Finn and Henk

The thread you are looking for is http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=15690&forum=DCForumID6&archive=yes it's under Finn's other I/D. Some concerns the loss of a Calshot Seaplane Tender, Henk's man may have been part of the crew all but 2 of whom were lost plus a Senior Naval Officer. Some of the bodies were washed ashore

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Dick



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Henk Welting (Guest) (3326 posts)

04-Nov-07, 10:36 AM (GMT)

3. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

Thanks Finn and Dick for this very helpful info. Because ST243 was RAF it's also possible that F/O G.H. Stephens, P/O F.E. Byerley and Cpl R.C. Lawson (all three on the Runnymede Memorial) were on same motor boat (refer to other thread 'unaccounted' airmen 2-6-1940).

Regards,

Henk.



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Finn Buch (Guest) (275 posts)

04-Nov-07, 06:03 PM (GMT)

4. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

Hello Henk and Dick,

Thanks for finding the thread. This is what I can find about 3 more unaccounted airmen. One of them, also RAF Calshot.


F/0 George H. Stephens, 37895, St. Eval


P/O Frank E. Byerly, 77469, St. Eval


Cpl Roy C. Lawson, 521169, RAF Calshot



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Finn Buch



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Dick (637 posts)

04-Nov-07, 06:37 PM (GMT)

5. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

Hi Henk

The book from which I took my original information was a Royal Navy report on Operation Dynamo written later in the war and published in 2000 as The Evacuation from Dunkirk edited by W J R Gardner. It mentions (without dates) the additional loss by the RAF of ST254 and another craft identified as AMC3. I would not think that a Seaplane Tender would have had 3 Officers as part of the crew and in the narrative it gives for ST243 the name of P/O C Collings apparently as Captain along with the passenger Cdr J C Clouston RN both of whom died(in CWGC) although it says that 1 Officer and 1 crewman were rescued.Clouston was the Harbourmaster at Dunkirk and was being taken back to the port by the RAF after consultation at HQ in Dover when ST243 was sunk by air attack off Gravelines.

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Dick

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Dick (637 posts)

04-Nov-07, 06:45 PM (GMT)

6. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

Hi Henk

Following from Finn's 2nd post Lawson looks a likely candidate for coxswain of one of the 3 lost RAF craft and his DoD coincides with the known loss of ST243

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Dick

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Henk Welting (Guest) (3326 posts)

05-Nov-07, 04:48 PM (GMT)

7. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

Thanks Finn and Dick. Will add LAWSON as a 'probable' to ST243.

Regards.

Henk.



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Ross_McNeill (1226 posts)

07-Nov-07, 04:27 PM (GMT)

8. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

Hi Henk,

Looking the two airmen recorded as St. Eval give this possible loss.


02/06/40

SF St.Eval

Magister I

R1830


Spun into sea during aerobatics off Mawgan Porth, Cornwall.


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Ross



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Henk Welting (Guest) (3326 posts)

07-Nov-07, 04:38 PM (GMT)

9. "RE: 'Unaccounted' airmen - 2-6-1940 (France)"

Thanks Ross; this was an excellent info to finish another day of research on the air war 39-45.

Regards,

Henk.

[jonheyworth]

Archibald Hector Nichol 348549, was reported missing during the evacuation from France with a presumed date of death

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

400602 - Unaccounted - Airmen - 02-06-1940

From Henk's list -

FRANCE
NICHOLL, Archibald Hector - Lac - 348549 - RAF - 85 Sqn.
Etaples Military Cemetery, Pas-de-Calais, France.
Cause of death?

UK
HOBSON, Robert Arthur Douglas - Lac - 528329 - RAF.
Manchester Crematorium, Lancashire, UK.
Cause of death ?

MACARTHUR, John Bisset - AC2c - 969846 - RAF.
Elvanfoot Churchyard, Lanarkshire, UK.
Cause of death ?

From CWGC -

FRANCE
CROMPTON, Ralph Kenyon(Ken) - F/O - 90361 - RAF(AAF).
Etaples Military Cemetery, Pas-de-Calais, France.
Spitfire Ia - N3064 - 611 Sqn.

HAYMAN, Maurice William - F/Sgt - 564713 - RAF.
Etaples Military Cemetery, Pas-de-Calais, France.
Spitfire Ia - N3047 - 66 Sqn.

KIDMAN, Ronald Thomas - Sgt - 741442 - RAFVR.
Dunkirk Town Cemetery, Nord, France.
Spitfire Ia - N3092 - 266 Sqn.

LOCKWOOD, Archie - Lac - 520825 - RAF.
Longuenesse (St. Omer) Souvenir Cemetery, Pas-de-Calais, France.
Seaplane Tender "243".

GERMANY
HUNT, Lawrence John - Lac - 549999 - RAF.
Keil War Cemetery, Schleswig-Holstein, Germany.
Seaplane Tender "243".

NETHERLANDS
LITTLE, Thomas Donald - F/O - 90364 - RAF(AAF).
Castricum Protestant Churchyard, Noord-Holland, Netherlands.
Spitfire Ia - N3055 - 611 Sqn.

NORWAY
WILKIE, James Leon(New Zealand) - P/O - 42170 - RAF.
Narvik New Cemetery, Norway.
Gladiator II - N5914 - 263 Sqn.

UK

The following five airmen are all commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial, Surrey, UK.

BYERLEY, Frank Eric - P/O - 77469 - RAFVR - 1 Depot.
STEPHENS, George Herbert - F/O- 37895 - RAF - 1 Deppot
These two airmen were crew of Magister - R1830 - 1 Depot.

COLLINS, Cyril - P/O - 77726 - RAF - MiD.
LAWSON, Roy Clark - Cpl - 521169 - RAF.
These two airmen were also aboard Seaplane Tender "243".

STEVENSON, James Walter Bryan (Australian) - P/O - 42158 - RAF.
Spitfire Ia - N3179 - 266 Sqn.

Alex

[wwrsimon]

Hello

UK
HOBSON, Robert Arthur Douglas - Lac - 528329 - the inquest into his death was reported in the Bucks Herald of June 14th 1940. It recorded that he died in the Royal Bucks Hospital after his motorcycle was struck by a lorry in Aylesbury Market Square at a notorious blind corner. A verdict of 'Death by misadventure' was returned.

MACARTHUR, John Bisset - AC2c - 969846 - the National Probate Calendar records that he died at Littleport, Cambridgeshire.

Regards

Simon

[Andy Marden]

Alex,

STEVENSON, James Walter Bryan (Australian) - P/O - 42158 - RAF.
Spitfire Ia - N3179 - 266 Sqn.
>> AIR 81/747 at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14502631 does indeed say N3179. However, I think this was lost on 3 May 1940 in a landing accident, and N3197 is the correct serial.

Andy

[Alex Smart]

Hello Andy,
Not sure , I had N3179 written down, but see now that FCL vol 1(revised) has N3169. So I may have copied N3169 down incorrectly.

Just looked at it in the Spitfire production lists and that has P3197 as shot down on the 5th June over Dunkirk.

N3197 Ia 438 EA MIII FF 27-11-39 8MU 2-12-39 266S 15-2-40 Shot down by Bf109s over Dunkerque 5-6-40 FH71.00

Alex

[Andy Marden]

Alex,
N3169 survived to become 2843M in Dec41.
BoF doesn't record any losses for 266 Sqn on 5Jun40, and neither does the 266 Sqn summary of events at: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8398170
The 266 Sqn ORB at: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8398171 confirms that Stevenson was flying N3197 when lost on 2Jun40. The summary of events also confirms the date.
A little more detail is at: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/228811
I therefore contend that there is an error in the Spitfire production list.
Regards,
Andy

[Andy Marden]

Just to close the loop on this, the author of the Spitfire production list has corrected the date of the loss of N3197 to 2Jun40:
http://www.airhistory.org.uk/spitfire/_prodn%20list.txt
Andy

[jonheyworth]

John Bissett McArthur 969846 , attached to 17 OTU, underwent an operation for acute appendicitis at RAF hospital Littleport on 26 April. Complications set in and he died at 23:59 hours of an abscess