401209 - Unaccounted airmen - 9-12-1940

[Henk Welting]

What caused the death of and/or what were the places of death registration for:

AC2 John FINNEN - 873051 - 18 BC, 945 (Balloon) Sqn, Glasgow - not found Flight archives;
AC2 George L. HILL - 1177555 - 2 BC, 903 (Balloon) Sqn, Forest Hill, Surrey - died of wounds or injuries received on active service;
AC2 John H. HILL - 841766 - same unit and info on death as AC2 George L. HILL;
Cpl Alfred SAVAGE - 511350 - not found Flight archives, and
F/Sgt David WILLIAMS - 328672 - not found Flight archives.

Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

Beaufighter I - R2147 - FIU - overshot on landing Shoreham.
Tiger Moth - K4265 - 10 EFTS Weston - dived into ground Creech St.Michael, Somerset (crew reported 'safe').

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[Dick]

Hi Henk
George L Hill,29, and John H Hill,41, are registered in Lewisham in S London.Savage is registered at Buckrose in E Yorkshire which includes Driffield,Finnen does not come up and might be in Scotland where his Unit was based. David Williams is more difficult as it is a very common Welsh name. I found 3 likely candidates
David Williams,40, Merioneth North, N W Wales
David Williams, 47, Birmingham
David Williams47, Neath, S Wales.
CWGC does not gave any age
Regards
Dick

[Eddie Fell]

Hi Henk

I have a note on file that Savage was stationed at Topcliffe. As you know he is buried at Driffield however which might suggest a death at home?

Cheers

Eddie

[Henk Welting]

Appreciated your help; thanks and regards,
Henk.

[annemc]

Hello I was just googling on the internet and came across your messages on this site. The Alfred Savage you mention is my dad's Uncle. He did die in Driffield and is buried there. He was at home when the base was bombed and he went to help and according the family information. A board fell on his his and when he came home he complained of a headache and went to bed and he died.

Regards
Anne

[Theletterwriter]

Henk

AC2 John FINNEN - 873051 ; age 49 years. Death registered in the District of Townhead, Glasgow.

Douglas

[dennis_burke]

Flight are missing a page of the March 13th magazine, the latter part of Casualty list 61.

Stand out names in the list are:
P/O- L. M. Blanckensee, 41248
F/O. R. II. De Montmorency, 33185;

Incase anyone has access to the Times casualty lists, it might contain the missing names from above.

And Thanks Anne, it is fitting to learn how one of the unknown's passed away.

[paulmcmillan]

Times Published Casulaty List 61 on Wednesday, March 05, 1941 - Can't see any missing names on it!

Dennis..

If you want a copy pm me your email address

Paul

[dennis_burke]

Thanks Paul, my email address is all over the t'interweb so

dp_burke at yahoo.com

The scanned flight magazines have page 214 up to about the missing in action names and then an advertisement, there are no DOAS KOAS names in that magazine. The advertisement pages are not normally numbered.

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Anne and Douglas for additional info on FINNEN and SAVAGE.
Regards,
Henk.

[jonheyworth]

David Williams 328672 , attached to the CFS, died in a motorcycle accident

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

401209 - Unaccounted Airmen - 09-12-1940

From Henk's List -

CANADA
WILLIAMS, William Charles - WO(cII) - 107 - RCAF.
Halifax (Fort Massey ) Cemetery, Nova Scotia, Canada.
Following a heart ailment he died in Hospital of natural causes.

UK
FINNEN, John - AC2c - 873051 - RAF - 945 Balloon Sqdn.
Glasgow (St.Kentigern's) Roman Catholic Cemetery, Glasgow.
Died of pulmonary Neoplasm.

HILL, George Lovesey - AC2c - 1177555 - RAFVR - 903 Balloon Sqdn.
Surbiton Cemetery, Surrey.
Air Raid on Balloon Site at Catford.

HILL, John Henry - AC1c - 841766 - RAF (AAF) - 903 Balloon Sqdn.
Eltham (St.John the Baptist) Churchyard, London.
Air Raid on Balloon Site at Catford.

HANTON, Lucas Samuel - Cpl - 340278 - RAF.
Bridlington Cemetery, Yorkshire.
Died following an operation, he had also served in WW1.

SAVAGE, Alfred - Cpl - 511350 - RAF.
Driffield Cemetery, Yorkshire.
Died at home of pneumonia while on leave.

WILLIAMS, David - F/Sgt - 328672 - RAF.
Upavon Cemetery, Wiltshire.
Motor Cycle accident.

From CWGC -

EGYPT
CRAWFORD, Joseph - Sgt - 648647 - RAF.
GOLDFEATHER, Albert Michael - Sgt - 747841 - RAFVR.
These two airmen were crew of Blenheim IV - T2073 - 113 Sqdn.

FISCHER, Jacobus George - Lt - 202883 - SAAF.
Hurricane I - P3824 - 33 Sqdn.

These three airmen are commemorated on the Alamein Memorial, Egypt.

SOUTH AFRICA
HINTON, Cedric Alan ( Australian ?) - Pupil Pilot - 103247 - SAAF.
Johannesburg (West Park) Cremation Memorial, Gauteng, South Africa.
Hart - 301 - 21 AIR School.

UK
BOULTON, Gordon - Sgt - 936282 - RAFVR - 114 Sqdn. .
Hoyland Nether Cemetery, Yorkshire.
SHILDRICK, Derek Arthur - Sgt - 759263 - RAFVR - 114 S
Little Stanmore (St.Lawrence) Churchyard, Middlesex.
WATSON, William Ross - F/O - 41503 - RAF - 114 S.
Norwich Cemetery, Norfolk.
These three airmen were crew of Blenheim IV - N3617-114 Sqdn.

MYERS, Julian Gilbert Keydell - Sgt - 748705 - RAFVR.
Wellington - L7895 - 115 Sqdn.

ELLIS, Hylton Daniel - Sgt - 523372 - RAF.
North Gosforth Joint Burial Ground, Northumberland.
HOWARD, Stanley Gordon - Sgt - 966313 - RAFVR.
Llantwit Major Cemetery, Glamorganshire.
MILLS, David - Sgt - 748521 - RAFVR.
Belfast City Cemetery, County Antrim, UK.
BROWN, Reginald - Sgt - 40913 - RNZAF.
TINDALL, Albert - P/O - 43294 - RAF.
These two airmen rest at Llantwit Major Cemetery, Glamorganshire.
WALLACE, David Ernest - Sgt - 905336 - RAFVR.
Southend-on-Sea ( Sutton Road) Cemetery, Essex.
These six airmen were crew of Wellington - T2520 - 115 Sqdn.

WADIE, William John - F/O - 73050 - RAFVR.
Leaton (Holy Trinity) Churchyard, Shropshire.
WRIGHT, Reginald Basil - Lac - 999008 - RAFVR.
Shawbury (St.Mary the Virgin) Churchyard, Shropshire.
These two airmen were crew of Oxford I - R6287 - 11 SFTS.

BELL, Gordon - Sgt - 551726 - RAF.
BILDERBECK, Anthony - P/O - 33535 - RAF.
DEWAR, Gordon James Masterton - F/O - 41385 - RAF.
WOOLLEY, Walter Edward - Sgt - 755114 - RAFVR.
These four airmen were crew of Hudson I - N7263 - 224 Sqdn.

CRAWLEY, Terence John - Sgt - 901761 - RAFVR.
MURPHY, Leslie Desmond Prundy - F/O - 41196 - RAF.
ROACH, Frank Alexander - P/O - 85228 - RAFVR.
STEELE, William - Sgt - 523780 - RAF.
These four airmen were crewofHudsonI - T9277 - 224 Sqdn.

The eight airmen named above are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.

DORNAUER, Anton - GAF.
GUHRE, Hans - GAF.
HASSDENTEUFEL, Werner - GAF.
KLEIBER, Josef - GAF.
KNOELLER, Eugen - GAF.
JAPPSEN, Max - GAF.
LEIPOLD, Egidius - GAF.
WEBER, Franz - GAF.
These eight German Airmen rest at Cannock Chase German Military Cemetery, Staffordshire.
Cause of death ?

ZIMBABWE
JOHNSTONE, Paul Dootson Douglas - Sgt - 777632 - RAFVR.
Harare (Pioneer) Cemetery, Zimbabwe.
Harvard - P5910 - 20 SFTS.

Alex

[Andy Marden]

BELL, Gordon - Sgt - 551726 - RAF.
BILDERBECK, Anthony - P/O - 33535 - RAF.
DEWAR, Gordon James Masterton - F/O - 41385 - RAF.
WOOLLEY, Walter Edward - Sgt - 755114 - RAFVR.
These four airmen were crew of Hudson I - N7263 - 224 Sqdn.


Alex,
The wrong serial is quoted in AIR81/4507. The aircraft involved was N7265.
I have amended our database accordingly:
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/serials/details.php?uniq=N7265
Andy

[vrajm]

Hi Alex,

https://www.facebook.com/page/611611449179738/search/?q=HASSDENTEUFE

KNOELLER, Eugen
HASSDENTEUFEL, Werner
GUHRE, Hans
KLEIBER, Josef

Mission: Government offices, London, England.
Date: 9th December 1940 (Monday).
Unit: 8 Staffel./Kampfgeschwader 77
Type: Junkers Ju 88A-5
Werke Nr.3191
Coded: 3Z + ES
Location: North Stifford, near West Thurrock, Essex, England.

It was reported that this aircraft was hit by Anti-Aircraft fire at 17,000 feet. The aircraft crashed in flames and was totally destroyed.

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http://www.brynelliott.co.uk/index_htm_files/WESTESSEXcrashesMishaps3WW2.pdf

ps. 17/18

DORNAUER, Anton
JAPPSEN, Max
LEIPOLD, Egidius
WEBER, Franz


Junkers Ju88A-1 twin engine bomber 2206, L1+KP, attached to 6/LG1 stationed at Orleans Bricy in France, fell to the guns of the Chigwell Rise battery on the night of Sunday/Monday December 8/9, 1940.


Regards

Mojmir

[malcolm_raf]

Hi

SAVAGE - a little amplification - He was home on leave from RAF Topcliffe and went to RAF Driffield to assist after a raid. During this work he received a bang on the head, later complaining of a headache and died in bed.

Malcolm

[jonheyworth]

Lucas Samuel Hanton 340278 , died in RAF Hospital West Kirby in the course of an operation due to anaesthetic complications