401210 - Unaccounted airmen - 10-12-1940

[Henk Welting]

What caused the death of and/or what were the places of death registration for:

Sgt (Pilot) Basil P. BUCHEGGER - 904138 - RAF from Switserland - killed on active service;
F/O Basil M. COOK - 76195 - 18 BC, 968 (Balloon) Sqn, Belfast - not found Flight archives;
P/O (Pilot) William E. HOLLAND - 88413 - killed on active service, and
LAC (Pilot u/t) Norman H. OWEN - 1101265 - killed on active service.

Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

Magister I - L8070 - 24 EFTS - collided with Tiger Moth BB738 over St.Albans, Herts.
Tiger Moth II - N9115 - 14 EFTS - dived into ground Maxstoke Priory, Warwickshire.
Tiger Moth - BB738 - 24 EFTS - collided with Magister L8070.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[Dick]

Hi Henk
Buchegger,25, Owen,19, and Holland,49, are all registered at St.Albans which suggests the collision. The only reservation I would have is with Holland's age which seems a little old but not impossible. I did find another William E Holland,40, at S Shields, Northumberland, but CWGC gives only 1 for that date with no age. I can't access the records for N Ireland if Cook died near where his unit was stationed
Regards
Dick

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Dick. The question remains who was/were on the Magister and who on the TM. Maybe DaveW has the answer.
Regards,
Henk.

[davew]

Sorry , I have the three airman against the two serials but have no idea who was in what a/c.

regards

DaveW

[Henk Welting]

......and that's how, for the time being, I'll have it on file as well. Thanks Dave.
Regards,
Henk.

[wwrsimon]

Hello

Sgt (Pilot) Basil P. BUCHEGGER - 904138 - the Grave Registration Report records that he was with 24 E.F.T.S.

P/O (Pilot) William E. HOLLAND - 88413 - the Grave Registration Report records that he was with 1 E.F.T.S.

LAC (Pilot u/t) Norman H. OWEN - 1101265 - the Grave Registration Report records that he was also with 1 E.F.T.S.

F/O Basil M. COOK - 76195 - the National Probate Calendar records that he died at Dryman, Stirlingshire. His entry in the Statutory Deaths Register on the Scotland's People website records that he died at 11.15 p.m. at the Military Hospital, Buchanan, due to arterio schlerosis,

Regards

Simon

[jonheyworth]

Wilfred Gordon Denhart 520670 , attached to 102 MU , died at Abu Sueir of a pituarty tumour

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

401210 - Unaccounted Airmen - 10 -12 -1940

From Henk's List -

SOUTH AFRICA
MARTIN, John Frederick - AIR Mechanic - 97067 -- SAAF.
Kleinfontein Farm Burial Ground, Brits, North West, South Africa.
Flying Accident.

UK
COOK, Basil Martin - F/O - 76195 - RAFVR - 968 Balloon Sqdn.
Paisley (Woodside) Crematorium, Renfrewshire.
Died of Arterio Schlerosis.

WOOD, John - Cpl - 519650 - RAF.
Haigh(St.David) Churchyard, Lancashire.
Died in Hospital following injured received in a collision with a motor car while on a motor cycle.

WRIGHT, Ralph Colin - AC1c - 984897 - RAFVR.
Manchester Crematorium, Lancashire.
Accidentally shot by another airman while in his Billit.

TAIT, Graham Richard Dawson - LA - FX.81968 - HMS Daedalus- RN.
St. Albans (Hatfield Road) Cemetery, Hertfordshire.
Magister I - L7080 - 24 EFTS.

From CWGC -

BELGIUM
BIRT, Allan Maurice - Sgt - 759123 - RAFVR.
McMURRAY, Frederick William - P/O - 85277 - RAFVR.
RATHBONE, John Franklin - F/Lt - 72451 - RAFVR.
These three airmen rest at Schoonselhof Cemetery, Antwerpen,Belgium.
These three airmen were crew of Blenheim IV - T2225 - 82 Sqdn.

EGYPT
DENHART, Wilfred Gordon - Sggt - 520670 - RAF.
Ismailia War Cemetery, Egypt.
Died at Abu Sueir of a Pituarty Tumour.

UK
BUCHEGGER, Basil Paul (Switzerland) - Sgt - 904138 - RAFVR.
Manchester Southern Cemetery, Lancashire.
Magister I - L7080 - 24 EFTS.

FERGUSON, Andrew - Sgt - 745363 - RAFVR.
Renfrewshire ( Arkleston ) Cemetery, Renfrewshire.
ROBERTS, James - Sgt - 749576 - RAFVR.
Edinburgh (Piershill) Cemetery, Edinburgh.
PENMAN, George Wright - Sgt - 748397 - RAFVR.
Lochgelly Cemetery, Fifeshire.
These three airmen were crew of Blenheim IV - L4844 - 17 OTU.


HOLLAND, William Ernest - P/O - 88413 - RAFVR.
St.Albans (Hatfield Road) Cemetery, Hertfordshire.
OWEN, Norman Henry - Lac - 1101265 - RAFVR.
Rhyl Church Cemetery, Flintshire.
These two airmen were crew of Tiger Moth - BB738 - 1 EFTS.

HOGG, Ralph Vincent - Sgt - 754794 - RAFVR.
Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.
Spitfire IIa - P7326 - 41 Sqdn.

HUTTON, Robert Scott - Sgt - 754874 - RAFVR.
Bristol (St.Mary Radcliffe) Cemetery, Gloucestershire.
Hurricane I - V6674 - 85 Sqdn.

ROBERTSON, John St.Clair - Sgt - 758182 - RAFVR
Newcastle-Upon-Tyne (West Road) Crematorium, Northumberland.
Blenheim IV - T1797 - 110 Sqdn.

Alex

[davew]

Alex

My record (without confirmation) has Owen and Holland in the TM, Tate and Buchegger in the Magister. NOTE typo, serial L8070.

DaveW

[Alex Smart]

Thanks Dave I followed the forums database details .
"Sergeant B P Buchegger, Leading Airman G R Tait (Royal Navy): killed; aircraft accident, Magister L8070, 24 Elementary Flying Training School, 10 December 1940"

And

"Pilot Officer W E Holland, Leading Aircraftman N H Owen: killed; mid air collision with Magister L8070, Tiger Moth BB738, 1 Elementary Flying Training School, 10 December 1940".

Looks like I got my wires crossed. Will now edit my earlier post.
Thanks for picking it up.

[Alex Smart]

Too late to edit ☹