View Full Version : "To RAF Base Gosport for BTS" Date... 1930's "BTS" Meaning

27th April 2016, 13:03
I have a few RN Naval Pilots (going to RAF Base Gosport for BTS) in the early 1930's

I assume it is something to do with Torpedo training ?

Bu can anyone tell me what BTS means ??

I also have see

S1651 Deld D Flt "BTS" Gosport ('D5') by 2.32 - @3.32; cv to Baffin

Many Thanks

27th April 2016, 13:09

One meaning of BTS - Base Training Station.


27th April 2016, 13:30
Or 'Squadron'? But neither Sturtivant, nor RAFWEB, list a similar possibility. Paul - is this typescript, or hand-written?
Peter Davies

27th April 2016, 13:44

My reference for "BTS" - Base Training Station, is Ray Sturtivant, in his :The Swordfish Story (Glossary), p.8.


27th April 2016, 13:52
I thought it may have been

Base Training Squadron (from very wide google search)

But then BINGO

"The Base Training Squadrons at Gosport and Leuchars are also to get the
" Nimrod " in place of the " Flycatcher.""


It is in numerous Postings announced in Flight in early 1930's an example


Thanks to you all

27th April 2016, 14:06
Once you get a "way in"

Military Airfields of Britain: Southern England


A number of operational and other units came and went during the 1920's
but Gosport remained primarily a trials unit, a role that increased in 1930
with the formation of the base Training Squadron, with four main

Four Main Fights
A = Army and Navy Co-operation
B - TAG Training
C - Deck Landing
D - Torpedo training

I now know that my "man" Lt Patrick George Osric Sydney-Turner RN attached RAF was on D Flight at Gosport flying an "unknown" Ripon on March 10, 1932 when he had to use a parachute

"The second escape with the Irvin Quick-Release Equipment was effected by Lieut. Sidney-Turner, R.N., attached to the R.A.F. He was flying a Blackburn "Ripon" torpedo bomber off Gosport, Hants, practising torpedo dropping attacks in formation. Being the last to go down to attack, he put the aircraft into a stern dive, then it took control and started a stabilised dive on its back at 4,000 feet. At 2,000 feet he abandoned it after trying in vain to correct it, and soon had his Irvin Air Chute open. It functioned perfectly, he said, and he checked hit descent fifty feet from the water.
He alighted about 200 yards away from the aircraft and spent twenty minutes in the water (temperature 38 degrees) waiting to be picked up. The Quick-Release Harness worked well, was his other comment, and a slight delay in pulling the rip cord ring, which has occurred, was entirely due to the fact that he was wearing gloves."

He had learned to fly at RAF Leuchars from May 1931 and then when qualified went to the newly re-commissioned HMS Furious after the incident above

He flew and commanded Sqn's during ww2 and died in 1947 (but I am unsure how)

The only remaining unknown is the aircraft he was flying it may be S1651 Deld D Flt BTS Gosport ('D5') by 2.32 - @3.32; cv to Baffin

Assuming the aircraft was recovered and repairable

27th April 2016, 14:10
Col (et al),
I was using Sturtivant's "FT&SU since 1912". Problem appears to have been solved (except!!) - what did a Base Training Squadron actually do? Or was it just one of those inventions that were there for "ease of administrative purposes" so that flying Units, their blokes/paraphernalia, etc, etc, could be accommodated/dispersed without too much 'difficulty', and too many signals/letters to Wing/Group/Command??
Peter Davies

27th April 2016, 14:49



Fleet Carrier. First commissioned as a Fleet carrier in September 1925. Placed in reserve in September 1944.

London Gazette 25 June 1940 - For air operations over the Norwegian Coast.

SYDNEY-TURNER, Patrick George Osric - LtCdr. MiD.


Seedie's List of Fleet Air Arm Awards 1939 - 1969. p.37.

See also:

Fledgling Eagles
Shores,Christopher et al.
London:Grub Street,1991.


12.4.40 (Swordfish) P4212?/'U3A' - 818 Sqn 'Furious' Ditched Ofot Fjord in attack on German warships at Narvik.

Pilot: Lt-Cdr P.G.O. Sydney-Turner RN
Obs: Lt W.B. Kellett RN
TAG: P/O W.H. Dillnutt

Rescued by destroyer "Grenade".

The Swordfish Story
London:Arms and Armour,1993
pp.28,176 & 199.


27th April 2016, 16:31
Col thanks for that I was unaware he was MiD

27th April 2016, 16:33

Forgot to add the link - https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/34882/supplement/3919


29th April 2018, 09:03
He flew and commanded Sqn's during ww2 and died in 1947 (but I am unsure how)"

Friday, 7 November 1947


SYDNEY-TURNER, Patrick G O, Lieutenant Commander, died

Coventry Evening Telegraph - Saturday 08 November 1947 OFFICER DEAD ON FLOATING BRIDGE Lieut.-Commander Patrick George Osric Sydney-Turner (38) of the Royal Naval Air Station. Lee-on-Solent. Hants. was found shot dead shortly alter midnight last night on floating bridge which runs between Southampton and Woolston. A passenger on the bridge heard a shot. and found Commander Sydney-Turner lying on the deck with a bullet wound in his forehead. Near his hand was a .45 automatic pistol. He was in civilian clothes. He left the air station yesterday evening apparently to visit his parents at Southampton.