410624 - Unaccounted airmen - 24-6-1941

[Henk Welting]

What were the places of death registration for:

AC1 William F. BEARDMORE - 940687;
AC2 William J. CRUDGE - 1273405;
LAC Robert J. McLINTOCK - 543619, and
AC1 Kenneth OLLIER - 1105089.

Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

Dragonfly - X9337 - 8 AACU - crashed on take-off Old Sarum.
Master I - N7999 - 5 FTS - crashed on landing at night Ternhill, Shropshire.
Master I - T8656 - 9 FTS - crashed on take-off Castle Combe.
Tiger Moth II - N6863 - 1 EFTS - abandoned London Colney, Hertfordshire.
Tiger Moth II - T5692 - 2 EFTS - abandoned 1 mile N of Worcester.
Tutor I - K3362 - 1 SAC - Air Britain Aeromilitaria crashed 24-6-1941; no further details (K-File: crashed 9-7-1941).
Whitley I - K7242 - 9 AOS - crashed on take-off Penrhos.
Battle I - K2055 - 2 AACU - crashed in forced landing near Plympton, Devon.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[Dick]

Hi Henk
Beardmore,21 and Ollier,21 are registered at Whitchurch. If it is the one in Shropshire it could connect them to the crash at Ternhill
McKlintock,26, is registered at Shrewsbury, Shropshire.
Crudge is on CWGC but didn't come up on the register.
Regards
Dick

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Dick; perhaps DaveW or Al have info on the Ternhill crash.
Regards,
Henk.

[Henk Welting]

Dick,
Are you sure that OLLIER's death was registered at Whitchurch ? He's MISSING and commemorated on Panel 290 of the Runnymede Memorial (although panel # 290 is a high number for that period of time).

Regards,
Henk.

[paulmcmillan]

Henk

Battle serial was N2055 !
Paul

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Paul. Indeed N2055, it was this old man's typo.
Regards,
Henk.

[Dick]

Hi Henk
I've looked again and I found a Kenneth Ollier,21, registered at Whitchurch. I see what you mean about the Ollier on CWGC . Unfortunately they don't have an age as a cross check. I suppose it is possible that his grave was "lost" prior to the records being checked and the list at Runnymede being prepared, or we have 2 Olliers!!
Regards
Dick

[paulmcmillan]

Beadmore DoAS

[thorne83]

Hello chaps, Beardmore and Ollier were both killed at Tern Hill serving with 5 FTS, however, they were not on board an aircraft. They were on flare path duty when a Master (Can’t recall the serial off the top of my head) swerved on landing at night and struck both airmen, killing them. I have been puzzled by Ollier’s name appearing on Runnymede and still haven’t figured out why??

With regards to McLintock, he was killed in a motor bike accident in Shrewsbury and was at the time serving at 34 MU, Monkmoor.

I’ll add the serial and some more details later.

Cheers, Tom

[paulmcmillan]

"Beardmore and Ollier were both killed at Tern Hill serving with 5 FTS, however, they were not on board an aircraft. They were on flare path duty when a Master "

I wonder if it is the same one "Master I - N7999 - 5 FTS - crashed on landing at night Ternhill, Shropshire"

Note - the Flare Path and Night link!

[alclark]

Not much beyond what has already been posted.

No.9 AOS:

June 24th 1941, “A Whitley aircraft carrying a pilot + 7 crew crashed on the pyrotechnic store. The aircraft was burnt out, the pilot and 5 crew were slightly injured, the remainder
uninjured.”

No.5 EFTS:

June 24th 1941, “C Flight, Sgt Pilot Howard crashed on forced landing field.”

No.5 FTS:

June 24th 1941, “940687 AC2 Beardmore, W.F. and 1150589 AC2 Ollier, K., both ground
staff on flare path duties, were killed at night when aircraft Master N7999 lost control on
landing. The pilot, 1014693 LAC Hampshire, A. suffered injuries.”

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Al and Tom for additional info on Beardmore and Ollier. Amended my files.
Good weekend,
Henk.

[Henk Welting]

Checking CWGC-registers with my database found another airman sofar missing in my files.
What was the place of death registration for:
LAC (Pilot u/t) Michael Hilward JONES - 1290247, age 18.
Could there be a match to an aircraft loss mentioned in my message # 1 ?
Regards,
Henk.

[Marks]

Henk,

Regarding Ollier I too have him listed as Whitchurch Age 21. He is not listed on the RAF Overseas War Deaths 1939-48. From researching several of the men listed on the Runnymede Memorial Addenda (Panels 289-292) who died from war related injuries 1946/47, it is more likely the grave was lost or not probably marked or commemorated !

Mark

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Mark. The Whitchurch in Shropshire ?
I've OLLIER and BEARDMORE (both registered Whitchurch, Shropshire) as being killed on Master N7999 and this aircraft only fits two airmen !
Regards,
Henk.

[dennis_burke]

AC1 William F. BEARDMORE - 940687; Listed as DOAS it seems in the August 7th magazine, Ollier is not however seen in this list and cannot find him in any listing, we have seen previous ground staff deaths as DOAS which I find strange.
AC2 William J. CRUDGE - 1273405; not found in Flight magazine. No return for hat name in Scotland either.
LAC (Pilot u/t) Michael Hilward JONES - 1290247, age 18. Likely is listed DIED or WOUNDS OF INJURIES RECEIVED ON ACTIVE SERVICE. There is a Michael H Jones age 18 listed in Kings Lynn district, Norfolk
LAC Robert J. McLINTOCK - 543619, listed as DOAS
AC1 Kenneth OLLIER - 1105089. Cannot find him listed in Flight magazine, certainly not in same magazine as Beardmore.

Interestingly Crudge appears on a Family tree on Ancestry.co.uk and death is given as 'accidental explosion' but there are more details but I can;t seem to get to them. I've contacted the owner however.

Found this however,
http://www.angelfire.com/de3/fileycasualties/wwiinew/noncommemorationarmy.htm
Stanley Idris Mick Bennett (Private) – Aged 32

Killed in the same accidental explosion as R.A.F. serviceman William Crudge on 16th April 1941, Stanley belonged to the 6th Battalion, Kings Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster) and was originally from Harrow, Middlesex. He was the son of Thomas and Mary Bennett. After his death Stanley was laid to rest in St. Oswald’s

There is a Stanley Bennett registered in buckrose district in that Quarter of 1941, no middle initial given. Filey is listed as being in that district.

Looks like Crudge name is spelled wrong on the register and CWGC have mixed up his date of death? The 6 and 4 have been transposed. ??

[dennis_burke]

The kind lady who runs the family tree, not directly related gives this information:

William John CRUDGE b 1922 and died 16 April 1941
Aircraftsman 2nd Class No 1273405 aged 19 yrs Killed by Accidental Explosion. Son of Harvey and Gertrudge (nee POPPLETON) CRUDGE, of Paignton Devon.
He was stationed at RAF Hunmanby Moor, Yorkshire.

The website above also lists:
Albert Alfred Izaby (Private) – Aged 34

The third man to die in the accidental explosion at R.A.F. Hunmanby Moor on 16th April 1941, Albert was another member of the 6th Kings Own Royal Regiment. He was repatriated to his home village of High Halstow near Gravesend where his parents Mark and Emma Izaby lived.

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Dennis for this and all other info on airmen who died/were killed 18 up to 24-6-1941.
Regards,
Henk.

[thorne83]

Just coming back to the Kenneth Ollier topic. For those that are interested i have since discovered he is buried in Over Tabley Churchyard, Cheshire. See below:

http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=1142254

I've contacted the CWGC, so hopefully they will amend their records.

Cheers, Tom

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Tom making us part of this info; will follow this thread to see what CWGC will answer.
Regards,
Henk.

[Jagan]

Just coming back to the Kenneth Ollier topic. For those that are interested i have since discovered he is buried in Over Tabley Churchyard, Cheshire. See below: http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=1142254 I've contacted the CWGC, so hopefully they will amend their records.

10 Years on, Olilier is still listed on the Runnymede memorial.

[jonheyworth]

Margaret Isobel Joan Lucas Phillips 5097, A nurse at RAF hospital Aden, died of heart faliure during an operation to treat an acute abscess of the appendix