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Henk Welting
5th November 2008, 08:37
What were the places of death registration for:

Cpl Henry BENNETT - 340047;
AC2 Edward C. DOCK - 1533543;
AC2 Norman S. MERRILEES - 1346102;
Sgt (Pilot) Thomas J.L. McENERY - 1056761 - 23 Sqn (Ford, Sussex);
Cpl James G. SAUNDERS - 917532;
Sgt (Pilot) Francis J. SMITH - 580592 (from Newfoundland) - 144 Sqn (North Luffenham, Rutland); place of death may have been at Wenlock, 5 miles from Donnington);
LAC George W. SMITH - 906533 - 24 Sqn (Hendon, Middlesex), and
AC2 Alfred J. WATKINS - 960900 - 120 Sqn (Ballykelly, Londonderry).

Also looking for the unit of the following airmen commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial:

P/O Geoffrey N.C. MIEVILLE - 101072 - Panel 33, and
Sgt Herbert B.K. MOSS - 1172592 - Panel 49.

Proposed aircraft losses this day:

Hurricane I - V7440 - 55 OTU - spun into ground Usworth.
Tiger Moth II - N6669 - 21 EFTS - abandoned 2 miles NE of Marlow, Buckinghamshire.
Tiger Moth II - T5624 - 2 EFTS - flew into ground Naunton, near Upton-upon-Severn, Worcestershire.
Tiger Moth II - T5810 - 17 EFTS - crashed 4 milies from Peterborough.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

Dick
5th November 2008, 09:30
Hi Henk
Dock,36,registered at Newton Abbot, Devon
Norman Merrilees(no S on the register) registered at Surrey Mid E
McENERY,20, registered at Harwich, Essex
Francis J smith,22, registered at Wenlock but as a register Office this is in Shropshire and is the normal office for a death at the RAF Hospital at Cosford,and would cover airfields like High Ercall, Sleap etc. There is a Donnington in the area as well.It is part of what become the large new town of Telford
There is a George W Smith,21 registered at Paddington, W Central London ,and another,age 37, registered at Surrey N W. There is no age on CWGC for the Smith with the service No 906533 but his unit is given as 24 Sqn which I believe was based at Hendon N London(Hendon is the closer to Paddington).The other Smith on CWGC was 24 and on 7 Sqn which was at Oakington and is in Chorley as dying on 3/5/41 near Oakington returning from a raid on Hamburg, the date also on CWGC.There is a George W Smith,24, registered at Cambridge in the 2nd Qtr 1941
Bennett didn't come up on the register,neither did Watkins but as his unit is 120 Sqn which was in N Ireland he may have died outside England and Wales
Regards
Dick

CZ_RAF
5th November 2008, 12:01
Hi Henk,

you can discard the Hurricane:
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=21916
P/O J A “Paddy” Hemmingway pilot ok

Pavel

Henk Welting
5th November 2008, 14:02
Thanks Dick and Pavel for your help.
Pavel: also thanks for you PM on burial location Jiri ENGEL.
Regards,
Henk.

dennis_burke
17th November 2009, 18:45
There is a 25 yr old James George Saunders registered in the New Machar district of Aberdeenshire during 1941.

Bennett DOAS
Dock DOAS
Merrilees DOAS
McEnery - KILLED IN ACTION (WHILE FLYING IN OPERATIONS AGUNST THE ENEMY)
Saunders DOAS
F J Smith - can't say I found him among the many Smiths
G W Smith - can't say I found him among the many Smiths
Watkins not found, which is not uncommon for probable Northern Ireland Casualties.

MIEVILLE and MOSS are both 55 OTU - GRO RAF


Note, I also add status for men 18 July in that old thread.
http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3250&page=2

Martyn A Critchlow
17th November 2009, 19:09
Henk,

The website below shows McEnery on Hurricane Z3503, although with 3 squadron.

http://www.cieldegloire.com/sq_raf_003.php

Martyn

Henk Welting
18th November 2009, 09:52
Thanks Dennis and Martyn for this additional info.
Henk.

olivia58
26th June 2014, 19:00
Hello,I am not sure if I am doing this right nor how one does post information but thought I try again. i did try to post yesterday..but ..alas ..it appears to have gone into computer neverland. I'm the niece of Sgt. Francis Smith. He was my father's brother. Dad died when my siblings and I were young but Uncle Frank was talked about through out the years but little detail was known . Dad had a hard time talking about him and we think he still felt the deep loss of his passing..We always wanted to know more about this man who left Newfoundland as a teenager to go to England in the RAF never to return again.It was emotional when I came across this site last week and found Uncle Frank's name among the unaccounted airmen and airwomen.I am not clear of where these records go but am very thankful they are being compiled .Mr. Henk Welting must have been an amazing man filled with such incredible motivation, hard work and respect to undertake this project. His work is greatly appreciated and his loss is no doubt strongly felt today. I know I appreciate all his work which has provided me with the opportunity to read this site and educate myself ,particulary after watching the 70th celebrations on the the landing in Normandy a few weeks back.Last year I undertook to work on the family genology . In this process i did find some records on Uncle Frank through the Forces War Records in England. Additionally, I found an article in a Newfoundland newspaper,The Daily News, dated September 20,1941 that provided a bit of an account of Uncle Frank's record , illness and passing . The information in the article may answer the questions initially posed by Mr. Welting. I am not sure what I do from here . Do I cut and paste it if I can ? Do I just log the reference specifics? Is there a way to access Uncle Frank's war record? Things are somewhat complicated in that when Uncle Frank joined he was not a Canadian but a British citizen as Newfoundland and Labrador were a separate country then .I live in Nova Scotia , Canada .Thanking you for your attention and continung hard work.Sincerely ,Olivia Smith

wwrsimon
26th June 2014, 19:51
According to Scotland's People, James George Saunders, Corporal Royal Air Force, died of "non suppurative, non haemorrhagic Encephalitis", from which he had been suffering for 8 days, at Kingseat Naval Hospital, Edinburgh.

Regards

Simon

olivia58
12th July 2014, 17:02
Hello,I am not sure if I am doing this right nor how one does post information but thought I try again. i did try to post yesterday..but ..alas ..it appears to have gone into computer neverland. I'm the niece of Sgt. Francis Smith. He was my father's brother. Dad died when my siblings and I were young but Uncle Frank was talked about through out the years but little detail was known . Dad had a hard time talking about him and we think he still felt the deep loss of his passing..We always wanted to know more about this man who left Newfoundland as a teenager to go to England in the RAF never to return again.It was emotional when I came across this site last week and found Uncle Frank's name among the unaccounted airmen and airwomen.I am not clear of where these records go but am very thankful they are being compiled .Mr. Henk Welting must have been an amazing man filled with such incredible motivation, hard work and respect to undertake this project. His work is greatly appreciated and his loss is no doubt strongly felt today. I know I appreciate all his work which has provided me with the opportunity to read this site and educate myself ,particulary after watching the 70th celebrations on the the landing in Normandy a few weeks back.Last year I undertook to work on the family genology . In this process i did find some records on Uncle Frank through the Forces War Records in England. Additionally, I found an article in a Newfoundland newspaper,The Daily News, dated September 20,1941 that provided a bit of an account of Uncle Frank's record , illness and passing . The information in the article may answer the questions initially posed by Mr. Welting. I am not sure what I do from here . Do I cut and paste it if I can ? Do I just log the reference specifics? Is there a way to access Uncle Frank's war record? Things are somewhat complicated in that when Uncle Frank joined he was not a Canadian but a British citizen as Newfoundland and Labrador were a separate country then .I live in Nova Scotia , Canada .Thanking you for your attention and continung hard work.Sincerely ,Olivia Smith

This may answer some questions on how Uncle Frank died. Thought I would post whole article for you, if any help.....

Sgt. Francis Joseph Smith Service number:580592

"Further Details of the Death and Burial of Sgt. Frank Smith, R.A.F., of Brigus: At the opening of the Memorial University College on Thursday, a tense, emotion-charged silence filled the Assembly Hall when the President, in a tone of reverence and fond remembrance, read the Honour Roll of Old Memorials who have paid the supreme sacrifice in the war against Nazi Germany. One of the names on the list was that of Sergt. Frank Smith, R.A.F., son of Mr. Michael and the late Mrs. Smith, of Brigus.
Sergt. Smith joined the Royal Air Force in England in 1938, before the outbreak of war. During his period of active service, he had a splendid record, taking part in “pamphlet raids” and making in all, a grand total of thirty five flights over Germany, besides his activities in connection with other Countries.
In October, 1940, Sergt. Smith entered the R.A.F. Hospital at Gosford, suffering from spinal trouble. After a gallant fight against the grimmest foe of all, the young Airman took his final flight, free from war and pain, on July 22, 1941. He was buried with full service honours at Churchyard in Donnington, Albrighton.
The bereaved father has received several comforting letters from officials in England, assuring him that everything humanly possible was done for Sergt Smith during his illness. Following is an extract from a letter written on July 30th by the Wing Commander, commanding R.A.F. Station Cosford: —
“Sergeant Smith was under the care of the Hospital of this Station since October 1940, during which time he received the personal attention of the Senior Medical Oofficer and Officer Commanding the Hospital.
“I can assure you that complete arrangements were made respecting the funeral, which took place with full service honours, and although it was not possible for myself to be in attendance, I was represented by an Officer of this Station, a Newfoundlander himself. The body was taken to the Roman Catholic Church on the Station, and as is customary, remained overnight. A Requiem Mass was said prior to interment, the Mass being attended by a number of personnel of this Station.”
Later, Mr. Smith received a most sympathetic, comforting letter, from Group Captain C. O’Neill, dated August 3rd, and which is reproduced below in its entirety:
R.A.F. Hospital, Cosford. 3rd August, 1941.
Dear Sir, – I am writing to you to give you some details regarding the death and last illness of your son, Sergt. F.J. Smith, and to express to you on my own behalf, and that of the Hospital Staff, our heartfelt sympathy in your bereavement.
As I told you in my last letter, he had been steadily going down hill for a long time. I am afraid there was no hope for him. I feel sure however, you will be comforted to know that he was surrounded by all possible care and attention, and that everything humanly possible was done for him. He was most popular with all the Staff, so that looking after him and attending to his wants and comfort, was genuinely a pleasure for the Sisters and Staff. I may add that they were genuinely distressed when he died.
He was an excellent patient right through his illness. He never complained right up to the end. He had a philosophical outlook and disposition, and a quiet sense of humour, which were particularly endearing to everyone.
Though his illness was a long one, it was not uncomfortable, and he had no pain or distress. He was frequently attended by the Roman Catholic Chaplain, and had the Sacraments frequently, so that you may feel particularly happy on that score. His death was most peaceful.
He was buried with full service honours at the Chuchyard in Donnington, Albrighton. The funeral was particularly nice and impressive. There was a wreath from Admiral Silver, who had taken great interest in him, and who had visited him with his wife a number of occasions in the Hospital. I also had two wreaths sent from the Hospital, one being marked, “In loving memory from alll his relatives and friends in Newfoundland”, and the other from the Hospital Staff.
The position of the grave is being notified to the War Graves’ Commission, who will make provision for a head-stone at the conclusion of the war. In the mean time, a temporary cross will be provided. Arrangements have been made for regular care and attention to be given to the grave, and for flowers to be placed there at regular intervals.
Please again accept our most profound sympathy in your great loss.
I remain, Yours truly, C. O’NEILL. Group Capt. Commanding R.A.F. Hospital, Cosford.
And, finally, an extract from a letter written to Mr. Smith by the Assistant Trade Commissioner for Newfoundland, dated Aug. 6, 1941: —
“I would like to express my deep condolences in your great loss, as well as the sympathy of all members of the staff of this office. Your son was well known to us all in the office, from his many visits when on leave. He was very well liked, and we were all most distressed to hear of his tragic death.”
Mr. Smith deeply appreciates the kindness which prompted the writers of these letters, in the mist of exacting duties and the peril of German raids, to try to bring a ray of cheer to a grief-stricken father in the far-away Island of Newfoundland.

Found in the "The Daily News" newspaper Sept. 20, 1941.
(NLGenWeb Newspaper TranscriptionsDaily News
Misc. News Items - July - December 1941)

cheers
Olivia

Jagan
12th July 2014, 20:30
Olivia, thank you for sharing that information. Even though Henk is not here, his project has many followers here and we all appreciate whatever little detail that one can add to these names. So thank you for adding more to Sgt F J Smith's profile.

Ross_McNeill
9th July 2017, 19:29
P/O Geoffrey N.C. MIEVILLE - 101072 - Panel 33, and
Sgt Herbert B.K. MOSS - 1172592 - Panel 49.

Both killed when Master N7570 dived into the sea off Grangetown.

Ross

jonheyworth
4th July 2021, 08:20
John James O'Donnell R 72655 , was killed in Harvard 2852

jonheyworth
28th October 2021, 13:05
Francis Joseph Smith 580592 , died on the 23rd July, not the 22nd as per CWGC, in RAF Hospital, Donington, of pulmonary tuberculosis

malcolm_raf
7th November 2021, 12:39
Hi Jon

"Francis Joseph Smith 580592 , died on the 23rd July, not the 22nd as per CWGC, in RAF Hospital , Donington, of pulmonary tuberculosis"

According the IBCC website: -

"In October 1940 Sgt Smith was admitted to RAF Hospital at Cosford suffering from spinal trouble. He never left hospital and after a gallant fight died on the 22nd July 1941."

Malcolm

jonheyworth
7th November 2021, 13:27
Hi Jon

"Francis Joseph Smith 580592 , died on the 23rd July, not the 22nd as per CWGC, in RAF Hospital , Donington, of pulmonary tuberculosis"

According the IBCC website: -

"In October 1940 Sgt Smith was admitted to RAF Hospital at Cosford suffering from spinal trouble. He never left hospital and after a gallant fight died on the 22nd July 1941."

Malcolm

That’s what his record says Malcolm. I’ve just basically regurgitated it verbatim as usual .

23rd July 1941 , RAF hospital Donington , Shifnal , sergeant Francis Joseph Smith aged 22 of 85 Mullock Street, St. John’s Newfoundland . Pulmonary tuberculosis . Certified Kenneth Robson MRGS RAF hospital Donington . Countersigned and signalled to records by Neill CJO G/Capt OC RAF hospital Donington 24/7

malcolm_raf
7th November 2021, 15:55
Thatís what his record says Malcolm. Iíve just basically regurgitated it verbatim as usual .

23rd July 1941 , RAF hospital Donington , Shifnal , sergeant Francis Joseph Smith aged 22 of 85 Mullock Street, St. Johnís Newfoundland . Pulmonary tuberculosis . Certified Kenneth Robson MRGS RAF hospital Donington . Countersigned and signalled to records by Neill CJO G/Capt OC RAF hospital Donington 24/7

Looking at the map, I think RAF Hospital Donnington, Shifnal and RAF Hospital Cosford are probably the same place, Donnington is the next village to Cosford, Donington being the original name allocated to Cosford.

Malcolm

jonheyworth
7th November 2021, 16:18
Very possibly Malcolm , I wonder if the designation of the hospital was changed at some point, OR , if the isolation area was classed differently as it's a big site ? I have no further information or knowledge of it sorry other than what I have

jonheyworth
17th March 2023, 18:36
Edward Cecil Dock 1533543 | attached to Number 6 Recruitís Centre | was admitted seriously ill to RAF hospital Padgate on 16 July, where he died of hypostatic pneumonia

jonheyworth
3rd April 2023, 21:05
George William Smith 906533 | attached to Number 24 Squadron | died St. Maryís hospital, Paddington at 13:20 Hours of a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head sustained in the Grosvenor House Police cells