410727 - Unaccounted airwoman and airmen - 27-7-1941

[Henk Welting]

What were the places of death registration for:

AC2 John E. COUGHLIN - 1425198;
AC2 Gerard LAMB - 1292494;
AC1 Wallace LOCKERBIE - 993571;
Acw2 Hazel B. MILLER - 440441;
LAC (Pilot u/t) Robert A.A. MISKIMMIN - 1388305;
F/O (Pilot) Arthur PATERSON - DFC - 79215, and
Sgt (WOp/Ag) Kenneth SNUGGS - 1151905 - 44 Sqn (Waddington, Lincolnshire).

Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

Blenheim IV - Z6180 - 2 (C)OTU - crashed on approach ½ mile S of Catfoss.
Hurricane I - N2495 - 18 MU - ran into soft ground on landing at Satellite Landing Ground and overturned.
Hurricane I - P3935 - 8 FTS - abandoned near Brechin, Angus.
Hurricane I - W9190 - 55 OTU - crashed in forced landing Weaverham, near Northwich, Cheshire.
Tiger Moth II - T5705 - 9 EFTS - flew into ground Pailton, near Rugby, Warwickshire.
Hurricane -II.B - Z3317 - 121 Sqn - collided over Lincoln with Hurricane Z3422.
Hurricane II.B - Z3422 - 121 Sqn - collided over Lincoln with Hurricane Z3317.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[alclark]

As would be expected the abandonment of the 8 FTS Master was successful.

July 27th 1941, “783668 LAC Veit “baled out” of Hurricane T3935 successfully.”

The 55 OTU accident was also non fatal, they also had a second minor accident the same day.

July 27th 1941, “Flying accident to Hurricane W9190 at Weaverham, Cheshire, Pilot No.798518 Sergeant Gosse E.M. uninjured.”

July 27th 1941, “Flying accident to Master T8669 at Woolsington. Pilot No.788029 W/O Richter K. (Czech) and safety Pilot, No.787450 F/Sgt Sala, both uninjured.”

[Dick]

Hi Henk
Coughlin,26, registered at Newcastle,Staffordshire
Lamb,30, registered at Brentford W London,
Lockerbie,20, registered at Lincoln,but for his rank it could put him in one of the Hurricanes
Hazel Miller,18, registered at Aylesbury (possibly illness in the RAF Hospital at Halton)
Miskimmin,19, registered at Rugby, Warwickshire(? T5705)
Paterson is on CWGC,buried in Scotland and may have died there, didn't come up on the register, neither did Snuggs
Regards
Dick

[davew]

Paterson and Snuggs on Hampden P1162 at Culk Farm, Castle Kennedy. I may have come back previously with this one but reporting Parkinson and Trigg due to the faint writing in the register. The other crewmen were Appleton GE, Batty AD and Turner HG (pilot)
regards

DaveW

[Ken MacLean]

Henk,

R.A.A. Miskimmin KOAS, W. Lockerbie, H.B. Miller, G. Lamb all DOAS. Coughlin not found in Times lists.

[Henk Welting]

Thanks friends for this excellent info; much appreciated.
Regards and have a good Sunday,
Henk.

[Ross_McNeill]

F1180 confirms Miskimmon as sole fatality on Tiger Moth T5705

Ross

[wwrsimon]

Hello

AC1 Wallace LOCKERBIE - 993571 - he was a victim of the Hurricane collision over Lincoln.The Lincolnshire Echo of July 30th 1941 reported the following:

Airmen Did Not Know They Were Over Lincoln: Inquest on Crash Victims
Questions about flying over cities were put to two sergeant-pilots by the Coroner (Mr. Reynolds Scorer) at an inquest at Lincoln County Hospital yesterday on the three people killed when one of two planes which crashed in the city fell in Oxford Street on Sunday Evening.
Both men replied that, being above the clouds, they thought that they were some miles away from Lincoln at the time.
A verdict of “Death by misadventure” was returned in the case of each of the three victims, the jury complimenting P.C. Hundleby, of the Lincoln City Police, on his brave conduct in entering burning houses and ensuring the safety of the inmates.
The three victims were:
A.C.2 Wallace Lockerbie (20), whose home address is Grantham Terrace, Durham.
Ernest A. Radford (59), of 46, Shakespeare Street, Lincoln, director and manager of Messrs. Gilberts.
Mrs Elizabeth Spray (57), of 5, Oxford Street, Lincoln.
The Coroner explained that on Sunday evening, about 6.30, two planes collided and crashed in Lincoln, one in Oxford Street, and the other in Drake Street.
Mrs. Spray was in her house in Oxford Street at the time. The house was wrecked and she was later discovered in the living room, severely burnt and dead.
Radford was in Oxford Street when some part of the plane struck him.
Lockerbie was motor-cycling along Oxford Street, and he was also hit by some part of the plane. The pilots of the planes escaped by means of their parachutes.
Sergt.-Pilot Warren V. Shenk said that on Sunday evening he and Sergt.-Pilot Bradley Smith were flying at about 8,500 ft. They got separated and lost a bit of altitude to about 7,000 ft. There was a cloud protruding above the general level of the cloud banks and this intervened between them. He started a climbing turn to go over the cloud, but got into it and then there was a crash.

Regards

Simon

[Rich Allenby]

AIR81 / 7916 states that Pilot - Sgt P G Ambroes RAFVR (1299914). Belgian. and Air Gunner - Sgt Frederick George Wilkinson RAFVR (1251252) were flying in Blenheim Z6180, starboard engine failed on approach and landed short.

[COL BRUGGY]

Hello

AC1 Wallace LOCKERBIE - 993571 - he was a victim of the Hurricane collision over Lincoln.The Lincolnshire Echo of July 30th 1941 reported the following:

Airmen Did Not Know They Were Over Lincoln: Inquest on Crash Victims
Questions about flying over cities were put to two sergeant-pilots by the Coroner (Mr. Reynolds Scorer) at an inquest at Lincoln County Hospital yesterday on the three people killed when one of two planes which crashed in the city fell in Oxford Street on Sunday Evening.
Both men replied that, being above the clouds, they thought that they were some miles away from Lincoln at the time.
A verdict of “Death by misadventure” was returned in the case of each of the three victims, the jury complimenting P.C. Hundleby, of the Lincoln City Police, on his brave conduct in entering burning houses and ensuring the safety of the inmates.
The three victims were:
A.C.2 Wallace Lockerbie (20), whose home address is Grantham Terrace, Durham.
Ernest A. Radford (59), of 46, Shakespeare Street, Lincoln, director and manager of Messrs. Gilberts.
Mrs Elizabeth Spray (57), of 5, Oxford Street, Lincoln.
The Coroner explained that on Sunday evening, about 6.30, two planes collided and crashed in Lincoln, one in Oxford Street, and the other in Drake Street.
Mrs. Spray was in her house in Oxford Street at the time. The house was wrecked and she was later discovered in the living room, severely burnt and dead.
Radford was in Oxford Street when some part of the plane struck him.
Lockerbie was motor-cycling along Oxford Street, and he was also hit by some part of the plane. The pilots of the planes escaped by means of their parachutes.
Sergt.-Pilot Warren V. Shenk said that on Sunday evening he and Sergt.-Pilot Bradley Smith were flying at about 8,500 ft. They got separated and lost a bit of altitude to about 7,000 ft. There was a cloud protruding above the general level of the cloud banks and this intervened between them. He started a climbing turn to go over the cloud, but got into it and then there was a crash.

Regards

Simon

Simon,

There was at least one other death related to mid-air collision of the two 121 Squadron Hurricanes. Civilian, Nellie Mastin, was injured at No.6 Oxford Street on 27 July, 1941. She succumbed to her injuries at the County Hospital on 24 August, 1941.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3122141/mastin,-nellie/

Col.

[jonheyworth]

Hazel Beatrice Miller 440441, a cook and butcher attached to 15 OTU died in RAF Hospital Halton of septacemia

[jonheyworth]

John Enos Coughlin 1425198 | was admitted seriously ill to RAF station hospital West Kirby on 29 June 1941. He was then medically discharged, dying of tuberculosis of the lungs

[jonheyworth]

Gerald Lamb 1292494 | an instrument mechanic attached to 11 OTU | died in an ambulance on route to Hounslow hospital, of synocope due to idiopathic myocardial degeneration