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Henk Welting
14th December 2008, 14:03
What were the places of death registration for:

F/Lt (Pilot/Instr.) Geoffrey BREMBRIDGE - AFC - 70081 - age 46;
Cpl Rowland BURTON - 21680;
Acw1 Margret H. DIXON - 420572;
LAC (Pilot u/t) Bernard W. - LAVAN - 1139401;
LAC (Pilot u/t) Hugh MacLEOD - 655298;
Cpl (Pilot u/t) Albert G.F. MOYNE - 655199;
AC2 Arnold C. NIXSON - 1275795;
AC2 David J. PAGE - 985476;
Sgt (WOp/Ag) John PERRY - 1325514, and
LAC Reginald W. SCOTT - 813106.

Also looking for unit and possible cause of death of:
AC2 John C. MARSHALL - 990666 - commemorated on Panel 98 of the Runnymede Memorial.

Proposed aircraft losses this day:

Hurricane I - L1827 - 8 FTS - crashed in forced landing Perth.
Hurricane I - P3761 - 5 FTS - crashed in forced landing Ternhill.
Hurricane I - V7590 - 55 OTU - crashed in forced landing Penshaw, Co. Durham.
Master I - T8885 - 57 OTU - crashed on take-off Hawarden.
Oxford I - V3980 - 15 FTS - collided with Tiger Moth T6432 near Sywell.
Spitfire I - X4415 - 53 OTU - crashed on approach Llandow.
Tiger Moth II - T5532 - 21 EFTS - crashed on overshoot Booker.
Tiger Moth II - T6432 - 6 EFTS - collided with Oxford V3980 near Sywell.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

dennis_burke
14th December 2008, 15:21
F/Lt (Pilot/Instr.) Geoffrey BREMRIDGE - KOAS - age 46 Wellingbro' District;
Cpl Rowland BURTON - DOAS Age 43 Sleaford District (First name Roland in register)
Acw1 Margret H. DIXON - DOAS Ripon District;
LAC (Pilot u/t) Bernard W. - LAVAN - KOAS, Age 19 Wellingbro' District;
LAC (Pilot u/t) Hugh MacLEOD - KOAS Age 22 Wellingbro' district;
Cpl (Pilot u/t) Albert G.F. MOYE - KOAS Age 23 Wellingbro District (Albert F G Moye in Register);
AC2 Arnold C. NIXSON - There is a 20 year old Arnold Charles NIXON in Scotland, Ross and Cromarthy area, Rosskeen district. Can't see him in Flight archives.

AC2 David J. PAGE - MISSING, BELIEVED KILLED ON ACTIVE SERVICE (WHILE ENGAGED ON NON-OPERATIONAL FLYING DUTIES OR ON THE GROUND THROUGH ENEMY ACTION).—; Flight dated November 27th 1941.

Sgt (WOp/Ag) John PERRY - MISSING, BELIEVED KILLED ON ACTIVE SERVICE (WHILE ENGAGED ON NON-OPERATIONAL FLYING DUTIES OR ON THE GROUND THROUGH ENEMY ACTION).—; Flight dated November 27th 1941.,
Both names again appear January 8th 1942 as PREVIOUSLY REPORTED MISSING. BELIEVED
KILLED ON ACTIVE SERVICE, NOW REPORTED KILLED ON ACTIVE SERVICE

There are matches for Page and Perry in Scotland but can't view the details.

LAC Reginald W. SCOTT - DOAS. Age 22 Lichfield District


Sywell is in the Wellinbro district www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/wellingborough.html
So Bremridge, Lavan, MacLeod, Moye on those aircraft possibly

dennis_burke
14th December 2008, 16:00
There is a 20 year old Page with maybe two entries on the Scotish register.

One is in Minor Records, Service returns

and also in Ross and Cromarthy, Nigg district

There is a 21 year old John PERRY in Ross and Cromarthy, Rosskeen district.

There is also another 48 year old John Perry in Soctland but I'm assuminig he is not our man due to the proximity of districts and age of the Perry above.

So, Nixson, Perry and Page in the same incident or accident. Maybe a high ground crash that caused their two bodies to be difficult to recover?

davew
14th December 2008, 17:38
Gents

John Perry's death was registered at Rosskeen, Ross-shire along with those of Roy Wright and Arnold Charles Nixon. Place of death is given as Cromarty Firth, 1/2 mile west of Cromarty. There may well be others (Page?) associated with this incident on the previous or next page but my credits have run out. I have no suggestion for the a/c involved.

regards

DaveW

RockHound
14th December 2008, 18:58
Page, Perry (WOp/Ag) and Nixon (Flight Mechanic - Engines) are indeed all registered in Invergordon along with two others who appear to have died in the same incident - Sgt Roy Wright (Pilot), Royal Canadian Air Force and Francis Addison (Flight Mechanic - Airframes); there may be others associated with the same incident.

Cause of death for Page, Perry and Nixon is given as drowning (flying accident), that of Wright and Addison as multiple injuries (flying accident). Time and date of death for all is given as 11.20 on 12th September although Perry, Wright, Addison and Nixon's deaths were registered on the 18th; Page's death was not registered until 2nd Octobr.

An indistinct note in the register against Perry, Wright and Nixon refers to what could be No. 46OTU (although I can't find any reference to this elsewhere) or No. 4 CAFU?

Regards,

David

Roy Nixon
14th December 2008, 19:03
Hi Henk,
Hurricane I, V7590, 55 OTU suffered engine failure at Penshaw, Co.Durham piloted by P/O E Sokolowski who was slightly hurt on 12-9-41.
Regards,
Roy

Ross_McNeill
14th December 2008, 19:14
Hi Henk,

The Cromarty Firth loss is 4 OTU London, K5913.

Do you have P/O J Gric with No.58 OTU Spitfire X4928 its not on your list?

Regards
Ross

Mackz
15th December 2008, 07:58
6 EFTS ORB : Sywell
12/9/41 70081 F/Lt G Bemridge AFC Flying Instructor, and 1139401 LAC Lavan B W pupil, were killed in a flying accident. Tiger Moth T6432, in which they were gliding in to land, was struck by an Oxford aircraft V3980, belonging to 15 SFTS which was on a cross country flight. Both a/c dived into the ground from a height of 600 feet. The two occupants of the Oxford were also killed.
15/9/41 LAC Lavan buried at Sywell churchyard with full Service Honours.
16/9/41 F/Lt Bemridge buried at Sywell churchyard with full Service Honours.


Regards - Colin

Henk Welting
15th December 2008, 11:08
Hi Henk,

The Cromarty Firth loss is 4 OTU London, K5913.

Do you have P/O J Gric with No.58 OTU Spitfire X4928 its not on your list?

Regards
Ross

Thanks Ross for info on London aircraft K5913. This loss was in my files with sofar the names of three casualties (WRIGHT, ADDISON and Sgt [Pilot] Gerald W. GATES - RCAF - R/65223).
Question: could MARSHALL also have been part of the London crew ?

P/O GRIC (from Czechoslovakia) was in my files on Hurricane X4928; failed to recover from dive and crashed into the North Sea; commemorated on Panel 32 of the Runnymede Memorial.).

Regards,
Henk.

Henk Welting
15th December 2008, 11:13
Thanks friends for this wealth of information on airmen who died/were killed 12-9-1941. Will amend my files.
Best regards,
Henk.

Henk Welting
15th December 2008, 14:03
What was the place of death registration for Sgt (Pilot) Gerald W. GATES - RCAF R/65223.
Regards,
Henk.

dennis_burke
15th December 2008, 14:19
There is a Gerald Waldo Gates registered in Ross and Cromarthy, Rosskeen district for 1941. Can't view the details but there is something there. Gates and Wright are buried in Rosskeen cemetery.

Do we thus have
G W Gates (Also in Ross and Cromarthy, Rosskeen)
Wright (Also in Ross and Cromarthy, Rosskeen)
Addison (Also in Ross and Cromarthy, Rosskeen)
Page (Also in Ross and Cromarthy, Nigg district)
Perry (Also in Ross and Cromarthy, Rosskeen)
Nixson (Also in Ross and Cromarthy, Rosskeen)

John Campbell Marshall age 19 turns up in the Minor Records, Service Returns register in Scotlandspeople for 1941.

Dennis

Henk Welting
15th December 2008, 14:51
Thanks Dennis for confirmation GATES.
Regards,
Henk.

RockHound
15th December 2008, 16:21
GATES' death is registered as being the result of multiple injuries following a flying accident. Time of death is given as 12.30 hrs on the 12th September at the Royal Naval Hospital Invergordon.

Regards,

David

Henk Welting
15th December 2008, 17:51
Thanks David for additional info on GATES; much appreciated.
Regards,
Henk.

dennis_burke
29th July 2009, 14:49
I wonder if I might ask what caused the death of the following airmen, all dead 12 Sep 1941 and all registered in melton Mowbrey district. Overall is on a family tree on Ancestry.com and the location of death is given as Saltby.

F/Sgt D H Bartlett (Pilot)
Sgt E F Chamberlain (W/O AG) Buried Cottesmore
Sgt A P Overall (Pilot)
Sgt D G K Smith (W/O AG) Buried Cottesmore
Sgt H R Tuff (W/O AG)
Sgt T I A West (Pilot)
Sgt V H Griffiths RNZAF (Pilot) Buried Cottesmore
Sgt J E Wall RNZAF (pilot) Buried Cottesmore

From googling it seems it was a collision of two Hampdens of 14 OTU on a night training flight.

T I A West came from and is buried in my native Sligo, Ireland. Buried sam cemetery as W B Yeats the poet.

malcolm_raf
29th July 2009, 16:54
Hi Dennis

Collision between P1301 and P4303 in the circuit at Saltby

Malcolm

dennis_burke
29th July 2009, 19:13
Thanks Malcolm, query answered.

Henk Welting
30th July 2009, 13:19
Dennis,
OVERALL, GRIFFITHS, CHAMBERLAIN and SMITH on P1301.
BARTLETT, WALL, WEST and TUFF on P4303.
Regards,
Henk.

dennis_burke
29th November 2009, 22:57
John C Marshall is listed with 4 (C) OTU in the GRO RAF listing.

Henk Welting
30th November 2009, 12:36
......and may have been missing on London II serial K5913 of 4 (C)OTU, crashlanded 1120h on Cromarthy Firth, 1 mile W of Cromarthy.
Thanks Dennis.
Henk.

graeme clarke
5th June 2013, 08:35
Hi

Re Scott.

He was a member of an R.A.F. Dance Band which had played in Yoxall, Staffordshire. Whilst driving in Sudbury Road, Yoxall the tender he was in hit a telegraph pole situated only 1 foot from the carriageway.

Scott sustained a fractured skull and died a few hours later in Burntwood Emergency Hospital. He was admitted at 1.45am and died at 5.30am.

Several other were injured but survived.

Burial details on CWGC.

Regards,

Graeme

phill jones
5th June 2013, 15:02
12/9/41 , Master T8885 57 OTU , Engine Failure on Take off crashed 3/4 Mile Outside Hawarden
Pilot being P/O FD Hamilton RAAF 403050 Appears to be unhurt .

Spitfire, X4415 53 OTU Llandow , Cat c ,hit Obstruction during Low approach ,Undershot and struck House Chimney and crashed Pilot Sgt G Lerche ok 12/9/41

Source 1180's in both cases

Phill Jones

COL BRUGGY
5th June 2013, 15:42
Hello,

AUS403050 Frank Drury 'Bush' HAMILTON RAAF, was admitted to SSQ. on 12/9/1941, then transferred to Station Hospital, RAF Padgate on 19/9/1941, and discharged on 1/10/1941.

Hamilton returned to Australia in August 1942, serving with No.457 Sqn RAAF (No.1 Fighter Wing),in Darwin. He went missing on 6/7/1943 during a raid (Raid 58), in Spitfire A58-61:ZP-P (BR589). His aircraft was found almost 30 years later crashed on the top of Billabong Ridge, Northern Territory. F/O Hamilton's body was never found.

Col.

paulmcmillan
5th June 2013, 16:17
Col

Interesting have you a reference to it being found in 1970's was it recovered?

thanks
Paul

COL BRUGGY
5th June 2013, 17:04
Hi Paul,

Yes, parts were recovered:

"Almost 30 years after the event, John Haslett and Tom Skewes searched the area and found the wreckage of a Spitfire which had slammed into the top of Billabong Ridge. It was estimated that the speed was about 400 mph, as the whole barrel of the Hispano cannon - about 5 feet long - had been driven into the rock. The separated breech block assembly, after careful cleaning and treating, revealed the number '589' that had been painted on. It was the practice of armourers to mark major components to permit correct re-assembly following maintenance. These three numbers allowed a positive identification of Spitfire BR589, Don Maclean's ZP-P. On 6 July 1943 this aircraft was flown by 'Bush' Hamilton. 'Bush' had borrowed 'P' while his boss was visiting the hospital down at Adelaide River. The official records indicated there was probably another crashed Spitfire in the area, and as a result of an extended search, the wreckage of Norm Robinson's aeroplane (A58-80:ZP-R [BS197]) was found some four miles away.

Although some metal fittings from the parachutes were found at both these crash sites, no other evidence of the missing pilots was found. After almost 30 years some of the mystery had been removed from the non-return of the other two members of Blue Section, 'Skeeter' Squadron on 6 July 1943.

See:
Spitfires Over Darwin 1943 - No.1 Fighter Wing.
Grant,Jim.
South Melbourne:TechWrite Solutions,2003 (2nd.ed.).
p.120.

Col.

paulmcmillan
5th June 2013, 19:25
Col

Thanks for that information. I had found some info on Hamilton in they snippets of that book that are on google books


Paul

wwrsimon
29th September 2017, 17:28
Hello

F/Lt (Pilot/Instr.) Geoffrey BREMBRIDGE - AFC - 70081
LAC (Pilot u/t) Bernard W. - LAVAN - 1139401
LAC (Pilot u/t) Hugh MacLEOD - 655298 and
Cpl (Pilot u/t) Albert G.F. MOYE - 655199
their respective Graves Registration Report Forms confirm them all as 15 F.T.S.

AC2 David J. PAGE - 985476 and
Sgt (WOp/Ag) John PERRY - 1325514 - their respective Graves Registration Report Forms confirm their unit as 4 (C) O.T.U.

LAC Reginald W. SCOTT - 813106 - the Lichfield Mercury of September 19th 1941 reported the following:

COLLIDED WITH TELEGRAPH POLE
Airmen Musicians in Yoxall Fatality
As a party of R.A.F. dance band musicians were returning from a dance at Yoxall shortly after midnight on Thursday the tender in which tey were travelling came into contact with a telegraph pole which was situated on the verge and only one foot from the roadway. Several of the airmen were injured, and one, Leading Aircraftman Reginald Walter Scott, aged 22, received a fractured skull, from which he died a few hours later in the Burntwood Emergency Hospital.
The coroner returned a verdict of "accidental death" and said he expressed his deepest sympathy with the father, whose son had lost his life whilst servning his country.

Regards

Simon

jonheyworth
25th May 2021, 06:12
Margaret Henrietta Dixon 420572 , attached to RAF Dishforth , was taken seriously ill on 30 August and was admitted to Ripon isolation hospital where she died of diptheria

jonheyworth
20th October 2022, 23:44
Rowland Burton 21680 , attached to RAF Digby, was fatally injured by a bus on 9 September, dying of his injuries in RAF Hospital, Rauceby