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Henk Welting
1st March 2010, 14:44
What were the places of death registration for:

A - Died on active service:
AC1 Edward G. CARPENTER - 1465521.

B - Killed on active service:
P/O (Pilot) Roger N. FRANKLIN - 127956 (from South Africa), and
Sgt (Pilot) James H. HOBBS - 1388453.

C - Not found in Flight archives:
AC1 Albert M. JENKINSON - 1527993.

D - Proposed aircraft losses:
Oxford I - V3894 - 11 (P)AFU - crashed on take-off at night Bent Farm, 1 mile W of Wheaton Aston (now Lucknow Farm) - already as a casualty on this a/c: P/O [Pilot] C.H.W. MACNTOSH - 130643).
Spitfire II.A - P8396 - 53 OTU - collided with Spitfire X4067 over St.Hilary, Glamorganshire (for X4067 already on file: F/O Roy A.H. NELSON - 120572 - Runnymede Panel 127; baled aircraft over Bristol Channel 1 mile S of St.Athan).
Sunderland I - L5802 - 4 (C)OTU - crashed on landing at night Alness.
Anson I - DJ494 - 1 (O)AFU - crashed on overshoot 1 mile W of Wigtown.
Havoc II - AH446 - 534 Sqn - crashed on landing Tangmere.
Hurricane X - AG181 - 59 OTU - crashed on approach Milfield.

Regards and thanks for your help.

1st March 2010, 14:59

Hurricane X - AG181 -59 OTU.

Crashed on approach to land at Milfield following an engine fire.

1388453 Sgt (Pilot) James Henry HOBBS RAFVR +


1st March 2010, 15:27

127956 P/O Roger Nicholas FRANKLIN RAFVR of 53 OTU, killed on 16-1-1943 in Spitfire IIa P8396 'BERMUDA II'. Collided with Spitfire IIa X4067 'HISSAR II" (Sgt G A KEMP safe)

120572 F/O Roy Archibald Hugh NELSON RAFVR of 53 OTU, killed on 15-2-1943 in Spitfire Ia X4067 'HISSAR II'. Collided with Spitfire IIa P7822 'ACTON/DUNEDIN' (P/O H A WAGNER [US] Injured - rescued). Both aircraft crashed into the sea one mile off St Athan.

Gifts of War/Boot & Sturtivant pp.38, 64-5 & 165-6


Henk Welting
1st March 2010, 16:58
Thanks Col for info on FRANKLIN and HOBBS. I had info on NELSON and WAGNER but erroneously omitted to record the loss date 15-2-1943 for X4067.

1st March 2010, 17:55
Hi Henk
Jenkinson,35, registered at Durham S E. This area includes Stockton on Tees where CWGC has his parents and his wife and where he is buried
Couldn't find Carpenter

1st March 2010, 18:24
Mackintosh was solo on V3894.
ORB records:
"Fatal night flying accident. Oxford I V3894. This aircraft, piloted by P/O H W MACKINTOSH, an AFU pupil, crashed on the circuit when the pilot was coming into land after aerodrome survey. The aircraft was totally wrecked but examination by the Engineer Officer revealed a fracture of the connecting rod in No. 5 cylinder of the port engine, for which Form 1022 was rendered. The pilot was killed instantly and an Investigation was called for".
Accident happened at 05.00 hrs.

Cheers, Tom

1st March 2010, 19:02
Carpenter died in hospital of natural causes at Bangor, Caernarvon. His death should be registered as Caernarvon.

He was attached to No.9 (O)AFU.

The ORB for 59 OTU didn't say much, "Sgt Hobbs killed in a flying accident".

Henk Welting
2nd March 2010, 12:08
Thanks friends for all additional info.

12th April 2012, 15:34
Carpeneter is in the death index as ... George E Carpenter, simples! Bangor district.

Can't see Jenkinson in Flight magazine.

6th June 2012, 14:24
Hi Henk,

F1180 gives a slightly different story for P8396 and X4067 and agrees with Col info.

Franklin listed as pilot of P8396
Sgt G A Kemp, 655779 down as safe, pilot of X4067


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