430412 - Unaccounted airwomen and airmen - 12-4-1943

[Henk Welting]

What were the places of death registration for:

A - Killed on active service:
AC2 (WOp) Ctril T. CLINNICK - 1324287;
P/O (Nav u/t) Robert L. CORRIE - 138132;
AC2 John P. EXTEN - 1585959;
LAC (Pilot u/t) Fred HUGHES - 1433457;
Sgt (Pilot) Ivan JUDD - 1231051;
F/O (Flight: P/O) Lewis LANE - 126880;
Cpl (WOp) Robert MOSS - 1119561;
Sgt (WOp/Ag) Hubert J. NEWMAN - 1313583;
AC1 (WOp) Ronald PERRY - 1549208;
AC2 (WOp) William POTTS - 1091889;
AC2 (WOp) Roy A. SHERWIN - 1577312;
Sgt (Pilot) Arthur K. SMITH - 1179487;
AC2 (WOp) Graham E. STEVENSON - 1600747;
F/O (Pilot) Kenneth WADE - 132725 (Flight: P/O), and
Sgt (Pilot) Henry A.E. WRIGHT - 1184806.

B - Not found in Flight Global:
AC2 Ronald A.E. COKE - 1443022;
AC1 David T. JONES - 1120283 - age 35, and
Cpl Thomas E. JONES - 529752 - age 27 - 961 (Balloon) Sqn (Dover).

C - Died on active service:
LACW Emily HAYBURN - 2087023;
LACW Kathleen MOLLAGHAN - 2059892 - 945 (Balloon) Sqn (Glasgow) - buried Drumlish Catholic Graveyard, Co.Longford, Irish Republic;
Cpl Arthur P. RICE - 573515, and
Cpl Sidney J. TIPLER - 1210600.

D - Proposed aircraft losses:
Beaufort I - N1174 - 5 (C)OTU - crashed on take-off Long Kesh.
Defiant I - N3340 - 2 AGS - bellylanded Dalcross.
Dominie I - X7444 - 4 RS - collided with Proctor DX223 and crashed, Langwardine, Herefordshire.
Tiger Moth II - N9214 - 7 EFTS - dived into ground 19 Lichfield Street, Tamworth, Staffordshire.
Blenheim V - AZ936 - 132 (C)OTU - crashed on take-off East Fortune.
Hampden I - AE142 - 5 (C)OTU - overshot landing Maghaberry.
Oxford I - EB750 - 6 (P)AFU - dived into ground at night Chantry Heath Farm, near Baginton (already as a casualty on this a/c: Sgt [Pilot] A.B. LEWIS - 1337734).
Oxford II - AB707 - 11 (P)AFU - crashed on approach ¼ mile E of Bratton.
Oxford II - AB766 - RAFC - crashed on take-off Cranwell South.
Wellington VIII - LB240 - 3 (C)OTU - crashed in forced landing ½ mile NE of Ewerby, Lincolnshire.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[alclark]

The pilot of Oxford AB707, 1451951 Sgt C. Banner received minor injuries, and the pilot of Defiant N3340 1387393 Sgt J.H. Tolley was uninjured.

[Dick]

Hi Henk
Clinnick,19, Exten,26, Perry,20, Smith,29, Stevenson,19, and Wright,30, are all registered at Hereford.This may put them in the collision at Langwardine which seems to be too small to even figure on Google Maps
Judd,21, and Corrie,19, registered at Lichfield,Staffordshire the right area for an incident at Tamworth,?N9214
Newman,22,(first name Herbert on the register,CWGC has Hubert) and Wade,23, are registered at Sleaford and E Kesteven, Lincolnshire right for Cranwell South,and AB166
Coke,21, registered at Abingdon,then Berkshire now Oxfordshire
David T Jones,36, registered at Swansea,Glamorgan
Thomas E Jones,27,registered at Pontypridd, Glamorgan.A long way from Dover Your's is buried in S Wales when his wife came from Nr Norwich.Jones is a VERY common Welsh name and he might have died at his parent's home
Emily Hayburn, 28, registered at East Glamorgan
Rice,21, registered at Bristol
Tipler,22, registered at Wenlock, Shropshire
Kathleen Mollaghan, not in Engand and Wales,but with the info you have on her probably a death in Scotland
Regards
Dick

[malcolm_raf]

Hi Henk

I've got Jones registered in Swansea

Malcolm

[davew]

Henk

the correct spelling for the Hereford location is 'Lugwardine'.

.

regards

DaveW

[Theletterwriter]

Henk

Following Dick's comprehensive list, I cannot find any sign of the other personnel in Scottish Records i.e.

LAC (Pilot u/t) Fred HUGHES - 1433457
F/O (Flight: P/O) Lewis LANE - 126880
Cpl (WOp) Robert MOSS - 1119561
AC2 (WOp) William POTTS - 1091889
AC2 (WOp) Roy A. SHERWIN - 1577312
LACW Kathleen MOLLAGHAN - 2059892 - 945 (Balloon) Sqn (Glasgow)

Douglas

[malcolm_raf]

Hughes and Lane - Sleaford
Moss, Potts and Sherwin - Hereford

Malcolm

[davew]

Henk

further to Dick's response:

Moss, Potts, Sherwin, Smith and Stevenson are also registered at Hereford.

Hughes and Lane are also registered at Sleaford.

regards

DaveW

EDIT Beaten to it by Malcolm.

[Dick]

Hi
With Dave's correction of the spelling to Lugwardine that puts it in the list for registrations at Hereford
Sorry I skipped a few names in the original list!!
Regards
Dick

[Ross_McNeill]

Hi Henk,

Pilot of N1174 was Sgt L A Hyde, 1199331 - no reported injuries to pilot (first solo on type).

Crew for AE142 all safe
Sgt D J Smith
Sgt Bacon
Sgt Dobbie
Sgt Evett

Martinet HP414 casualties
F/L E Metler PAF, P76768 and AC1 D T Jones


Regards
Ross

[paulmcmillan]

Henk

Following Dick's comprehensive list, I cannot find any sign of the other personnel in Scottish Records i.e.

LACW Kathleen MOLLAGHAN - 2059892 - 945 (Balloon) Sqn (Glasgow)

Douglas

If you do a Soundex check on MOLLAGHAN Kathleen 1943 and female you get 1 hit in Scotland.
I assume a typo on register

[Theletterwriter]

If you do a Soundex check on MOLLAGHAN Kathleen 1943 and female you get 1 hit in Scotland.
I assume a typo on register

Henk / Paul

I had tried the Soundex check previously but the Records came up with an infant named Kathleen Milligan. It may be possible that Kathleen Mollaghan died at home and Dennis is the best source of help if this is the case.

Douglas

[paulmcmillan]

Douglas

Thanks for confirming!

Paul

[dennis_burke]

I was going to check but this morning I find the Irish Civil records missing from the familysearch.org website. I hope they have them back up soon.

[Henk Welting]

This was a long list for April 12th, 1943 and excellent info from faithful friends of the RAF Commands Forum. Thanks.
Regards,
Henk.

[dennis_burke]

Kathleen Molloghan is registered age 22 in the Wirral District, Cheshire. Spelled with a second 0 instead of letter a on the index. Her name is not appearing in Irish Death Indexes on Familysearch.org

[Ross_McNeill]

Hi Henk,

F1180 gives Hughes as sole fatality on Oxford II - AB766

Regards
Ross

[Henk Welting]

Ross,
Also have following fatal casualties on AB766:
F/O (Pilot) Kenneth WADE - 132725;
F/O (Nav) Lewis LANE - 126880, and
Sgt (WOp/Ag) Hubert J. NEWMAN - 1313583.
Death of all registered at Sleaford & E.Kesteven, Lincs.
If HUGHES was only fatal casualty do you probably know what caused the death of Wade, Lane and Newman ?
Regards,
Henk.

[Ross_McNeill]

Might be Wellington LB240.

Only up to the "O" in the 1943 aircraft alphabet for the F1180s at the moment.

I'll jump ahead this afternoon to the "W" and see who is listed for pilot in command.

Regards
Ross

[Ross_McNeill]

Clearing up reel MF 16-71 at the moment.

Dominie I - X7444 - 4 RS - collided with Proctor DX223 and crashed, Langwardine, Herefordshire.

F1180 for DX223 gives
Proctor DX223 pilot as Sgt Wright + 1 other killed
Dominie X7444 pilot as Sgt Smith + 6 other killed

Regards
Ross

[Henk Welting]

Ross,
I've a total of eight fatal casualties on Dominie X7444 so one of them may have been with Sgt WRIGHT on the Proctor DX223:
Sgt (Pilot) Arthur K. SMITH - 1179487;
Cpl (WOp) Robert MOSS - 1119561;
AC2 (WOp) Ctril T. CLINNICK - 1324287;
AC2 John P. EXTEN - 1585959;
AC1 (WOp) Ronald PERRY - 1549208;
AC2 (WOp) William POTTS - 1091889;
AC2 (WOp) Roy A. SHERWIN - 1577312, and
AC2 (WOp) Graham E. STEVENSON - 1600747.
Regards,
Henk.

[Ross_McNeill]

Right got to LB240

F1180 gives 4 fatalities (looks like one died later)

Pilot F/O P Grove, 120779 (according to CWGC he died the following day)
P/O K Wade, 132725, +

So two others to be added and these look like Newman and Lane.

Regards
Ross

[wwrsimon]

Hello

P/O (Nav u/t) Robert L. CORRIE - 138132 and
Sgt (Pilot) Ivan JUDD - 1231051 - their respective Graves Registration Report Forms confirm their unit as 7 E.F.T.S., which links them to Tiger Moth II N9214.

LACW Emily HAYBURN - 2087023 - the Liverpool Echo of April 14th 1943 carried the following announcement:

HAYBURN - April 12, at Whitchurch (E.) Hospital, EMILY (L.A.C.W.), beloved niece of M. Pearson and S. Hayburn. Funeral at Cardiff.

LACW Kathleen MOLLAGHAN - 2059892 - her entry on www.findagrave.com (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/100157744) has the following:

Aged 23.
Daughter of John and Mary Mollaghan, of Drumlish.
She was born in Co. Longford and her birth was registered as Catherine Mollaghan.
She was a telephone operator in the balloon squadron, which was deployed in the defence of Glasgow.
She was admitted to hospital at West Kirby on 25 February 1943, and died on 12 April 1943.
She was buried in Drumlish Cemetery, Drumlish, Co. Longford.

As Dennis mentioned in post #6, there is a Kathleen Molloghan on the England & Wales Civil Deaths Register, aged 22, registered in the Wirral, June 1943.

Cpl Arthur P. RICE - 573515 - the Dunfries and Galloway Standard of April 17th 1943 carried the following announcement:

RICE - On 12th April, 1943, at Hamgreen Hospital, Bristol, Corporal Arthur Patrick Rice, R.A.F., dearly beloved second son of Mr. and Mrs. Richard Rice, 6 Quality Street, North Berwick.

Regards

Simon

[jonheyworth]

David Thomas Jones 1120283 was admitted to the Cardiganshire general hospital, Aberystwyth, seriously ill on 10th November 1943. Diagnosed with a haematuria and pulmonary tuberculosis in both lungs. Terminally ill, he was discharged from the RAF on 29th January 1943

[jonheyworth]

Sidney Joseph Tipler 1210600 , attached to Number 5 Wing of Number 2 SOTT, taken dangerously ill on 3 April and admitted to RAF Hospital, Cosford, where he died of gross toxameia and shock caused by an acute intestinal strangulation

[jonheyworth]

Emily Hayburn 2087023 , an ACH/GD attachex to RAF Cardiff, was admitted to the Whitchurch EMS hospital on 7 April where she died at 00:15 hours of leukaemia

[jonheyworth]

Kathleen Mollaghan 2059892 , a telephone operator, was admitted to RAF Hospital, West Kirkby on 25 February where she died of ulcerative colitis

[Jagan]

Thomas Edward Jones, a medically discharged Air Force pensioner at the time of his death, died at 37 Dunraven Street, Treherbert , of pulmonary tuberculosis


Which Thomas Edward Jones is this? I cant find an appropriate 'Pensioner' aged airman with this name.. what was his date of death?

PS..

All updates done to this point

122,438 casualty records in this database. 116,874 records (95.46%) are "Accounted for". 5,564 are still unaccounted.

565 records away from what was considered impossible a few years ago???

[jonheyworth]

Which Thomas Edward Jones is this? I cant find an appropriate 'Pensioner' aged airman with this name.. what was his date of death?

PS..

All updates done to this point

122,438 casualty records in this database. 116,874 records (95.46%) are "Accounted for". 5,564 are still unaccounted.

Thomas Edward Jones 529752 , pensioner merely means in receipt of a pension Jagan, in this case a disability discharge one. Not age relate

Jon

[jonheyworth]

Arthur Patrick Rice 573515 | attached to 26 OTU | was admitted dangerously ill to Southmead Hospital, Bristol on 29 March, suffering with Empyema. He died at 08:45 Hours of miliary tuberculosis

[jonheyworth]

William George Tolson M.C. 75668 | attached to RAF Netheravon | born 7/7/1886, died in RAF hospital Wroughton of a coronary thrombosis