430517 - Unaccounted airmen - 17-5-1943

[Henk Welting]

What were theplaces of death registration for:

A - Killed on active service:
Sgt (WOp/Ag) Percy R. ANNETTS - 1337453;
Sgt (Obs) Morgan EDWARDS - 1072140;
F/Sgt (Pilot) David J. UNDERWOOD - 1260064;
Sgt (WOp) Gerald H.C. WATKINS - 1128063, and
LAC (Nav) Peter G. WILSON - 1624056.

B - Died on active service:
Cpl Thomas ARNOTT - 802570 - age 23, and
LAC Stanley C. WARNES - 1284402 - age 31.

C - Proposed aircraft losses:
Botha I - L6419 - 3 AGS - crashed on landing Mona (county not known).
Oxford II - T1100 - 20 (P)AFU - crashed on landing Weston-on-the-Green.
Rapide - X9457 - 79 Wing - crashed in forced landing near Sywell.
Tiger Moth II - N9127 - 231 Sqn - hit water low flying over Lough Neagh, Co. Antrim.
Typhoon IB - R8809 - AAEE - crashed in forced landing Oatlands Hill.
Anson I - EG269 - 5 AOS - flew into ground 1 mile S of Tadcaster, Yorkshire (already as casualties on this a/c: P/O H. RHODES - 144038 and Sgt [Nav u/t] J. BLEIER - [Cz]788340).
Beaufighter XI - JM244 - 304 FTU - flew into ground Highfield, Ferndale, Glamorganshire.
Oxford I - HN698 - 286 Sqn - overshot landing Abbotsinch.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[Resmoroh]

Henk,
Mona is in the Isle of Anglesey just off the NW Wales coast. It is an administrative district the same as a County
HTH
Peter Davies

[Dick]

Hi Henk
Annetts,20, Watkins,22, and Wilson,20 are registered at Tadcaster, Yorkshire which could put them on Anson EG269
I found a Morgan E Edwards 28, registered at Pontypridd,Glamorgan.I also found a Morgan Edwards ,61 also at Pontypridd.The age 28 is about right for CWGC but they do not have the middle initial,there are no Civilian War Dead in Glamorgan that would fit the 61 year old
Arnott is Thomson Arnott on the register and CWGC age 24, and registered at Bath Somerset
Warnes 31, registered at Westminster C London
I've now checked that Tadcaster is where Rhodes and Bleier are registered
Regards
Dick

[alclark]

The 5 AOS Medical Officer recorded the loss of EG269 and stated that all those onboard had "received multiple injuries resulting in death", but he didn't confirm the number or any names.

[a1rbus]

Mona is also RAF Mona the relief landing ground for RAF Valley.......happy days!

[Henk Welting]

Thanks friends for all this valuable info; also rcvd PM from Adrian with a link to Beaufighter JM244 and the loss of it's crew EDWARDS and UNDERWOOD on ferry flight.
Regards,
Henk.

[Dick]

Hi Henk
Sorry, I got so tied up with the Edwards at Pontypridd that I forgot Underwood,21, who is also registered there
Regards
Dick

[davew]

Henk

the two airmen registered at Pontypridd will be associated with the loss of the Beaufighter at Ferndale.

regards

DaveW

edit; beaten to it!

[COL BRUGGY]

Henk,

Re: Typhoon IB R8809.

APPENDIX 4. Losses - Typhoons.

Date: 17 May 1943
Unit: A&AEE
Aircraft: (Typhoon IB) R8809
Pilot: G/C H. A. Purvis*
Circumstances: Engine failure, force-landed Oaklands Hill.

See:
The Typhoon & Tempest Story.
Thomas,Chris & Christopher Shores.
London:Arms & Armour Press,1988
p.197

* 16228 G/C Harry Alexander 'Bruin' PURVIS DFC, AFC (later*). Apparently OK (he died in 1967). Purvis was OC. Performance Testing Squadron, A&AEE, Boscombe Down, 1942-1945.

Col.

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Col for additional info on Typhoon R8809 and G/C PURVIS.
Regards,
Henk.

[jossleclercq]

Hello,

If my memory serves me well, R8809 was the first Typhoon to be modified with the sliding hood canopy, which entered service gradually later in 1943.

There are a few pictures (for example in Air-Britain's Typhoon file) by Chris Thomas which shows the new canopy, and obviously the book quoted by Col should show it as well.

Joss

[Ross_McNeill]

Hi Henk,

F1180 confirms Rhodes as pilot of Anson EG269. 5 killed in total.

So your two names plus the three Tadcaster names.

Regards
Ross

[PeteT]

Re: Oxford II - T1100

20 (P)AFU ORB states that Australian pilot (410183) Sgt Trollope was uninjured in the crash of Oxford T1100; aircraft Cat B.

[Martyn A Critchlow]

Cpl Thomas ARNOTT - 802570 -accidental death, knocked down by a car on Bannerdown Hill.
(Western Daily Press, 21 May 1943)

Martyn

[jonheyworth]

Reginald Henry Giles 1575652 , a clerk GD attached to 863 AMES, was removed dangerously ill from a troop train en route to Calcutta and died in the railway hospital, Bhusawal of heatstoke

[jonheyworth]

Cecil James Frederick Morgan 1406021 , a driver MT attached to 568 AMES, was admitted seriously ill to Number 47 British General hospital on 5 May where he died of enteric fever

[jonheyworth]

Stanley Charles Warnes 1284402 , an ACH/Batman attached to No1 TTU in Coastal Command died at 01:45 hours in Westminster hospital of lymphadenoma with his wife, LACW Irene Lillian Warnes of Number 2 Wing stores at RAF Hereford at his bedside