430617 - Unaccounted airmen - 17-6-1943

[Henk Welting]

What were the places of death registration for:

A - Not found in Flight Global:
AC2 Patrick CLARKE - 1697370, and
ATC Cadet Albert E. DAWSON - 9234.

B - Killed on active service:
Sgt (WOp) William P. MORRISON - 1354746;
AC2 Edward E. SUCKLING - 1589380, and
Sgt (Pilot) Lambert L.G. WILLIAMS - 1322385.

C - Proposed aircraft losses:
Anson I - K8791 - CNS - broke up in air Wallerscote Works, Northwich, Cheshire.
Botha I - W5023 - 10 (O)AFU - crashed on take-off Dumfries.
Master I - T8558 - 5 (P)AFU - dived into ground near Kelsall, Cheshire (already as a casualty on this a/c: Sgt [Pilot] M. CAP - 1067213 (from Czechoslovakia).
Spitfire IIA - P7978 - 58 OTU - collided with Spitfire X4914 at Sauchie, near Alloa, Clackmannanshire (for X4914 already as a casualty on file: Sgt R.H.E. HOLLIS - 1331977).
Tiger Moth II - R5253 - 4 EFTS - crashed on take-off Brough.
Typhoon I - R7621 - 59 OTU - crashed on landing Milfield.
Beaufighter XI - JM129 - 9 (C)OTU - crashed on overshoot Silloth.
Mustang I - AG382 - 41 OTU - crashed on landing Poulton.

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[CZ_RAF]

Hi Henk,

I can only add that Sgt M. Cap was the sole occupant of Master T8558 according to Czech sources

Pavel

[malcolm_raf]

Hi Henk

AC2 Patrick CLARKE - 1697370, Northwich (19)
ATC Cadet Albert E. DAWSON - Northwich (16)
Sgt (WOp) William P. MORRISON - Northwich
AC2 Edward E. SUCKLING - Northwich
Sgt (Pilot) Lambert L.G. WILLIAMS - Northwich

Probably all on K8791?

Malcolm

[alclark]

Yes, all on K8791, I'll have to check the ORB original to make sure that it said K8792.

June 18th 1943, “Anson K8792 crashed. Crew killed including an ATC cadet.
1322385 Sgt/Pilot Williams L.G.
1354746 Sgt/W/Op Morrison W.
1697370 AC2 Clarke F. u/t Compass Adjustor
1589380 AC2 Suckling E.E. u/t Compass Adjustor
9234 Cadet Dawson A.C. ATC Cadet
The accident investigation board were requested to investigate accident. Preliminary cause of crash was engine failure.”

[Henk Welting]

Thanks friends for your help.
Al: Anson K8792 from production line direct to RAAF as A4-13.
Regards,
Henk.

[paulmcmillan]

Spitfire IIA - P7978 - 58 OTU


http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wwshack/Misc/58OTURollOfHonour.htm


P/O. Edwards baled out unhurt.

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

To back Henk's reply above.
From The Anson File

K8791
217/9 FTS/AOS Nort Coats/ 1 AOS/ SAN (K1)/ 2 SAN (K1)/ 4 AOS/ 2 SAN/CNS
Broke up in air after engine failure and crashed at Wallanstone(?) Works, Northwich, Cheshire 17.6.43.

K8792 to K8812
Diverted from production line as RAAF A4-13 to A4-33.

Alex

[Ross_McNeill]

Hi Henk,

From the No.9 (C)OTU ORB

17 June 1943
F/L Turnbull of No.9 Course force landed at Silloth, engine cut on circuit crashed on landing. F/O Hood crashed at Longtown. Unhurt.

Regards
Ross

[phill jones]

Henk , Mustang AG382 , 41 OTU , SWUNG ON LANDING & OVERTURNED AT POULTON,
PILOT OK -SGT BROWN, 17.6.43 , A/C WRITTEN OFF .

HOPE THIS HELPS
PHILL JONES

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Phill. Will amend. A pity that we don't know Brown's initials and servicenumber as there are so many with this popular name !
Regards,
Henk.

[68 Sqn]

Hello
Do you know the details of the death of F/O (124449) Douglas Charles SAWYER 141 Sqdn (+17/06/1943)?
Regards
Pavel

[dennis_burke]

His name appears in the Flight magazines as
PREVIOUSLY REPORTED MISSING, BELIEVED KILLED IN ACTION, NOW PRESUMED KILLED ACTION

Also missing that date Sgt A A Smith 141 Sqn

[68 Sqn]

Hello
Thanks for your willingness. I succeeded in http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=80724
Best regards
Pavel

[AL90]

Link below was written by P/O Edwards and contains a detailed account of his collision with Sgt Hollis , the demise of X4914 and P7978. The accident account starts around page 4.
http://www.adnedwards.co.uk/norman/1943.html

Alan.

[jonheyworth]

Cecil Douglas Arthurs 543131, attached to 119 MU, was admitted to Number 16 ME general hospital on 25th May and died there of pulmonary tuberculosis

[jonheyworth]

Robert Edgar Snaylam 1135791 , attached to 83 RSU, died in the British military hospital, Lahore, of poliomyelitis the day after admission

[jonheyworth]

Joseph Leslie Walter 1650529 , attached to AHQ India, died of heatstroke