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    Default F/L Ivor Brian Hayes.

    Looking for information on this airman who was apparently seconded to the RAF as a Lieutenant in the Royal Artillery. I have two possible Service Numbers from the LG, 126715 and 48827. Would be particularly interested in confirmation as to whether or not he received the DFC and citation for same if he did. I am aware of the loss of his aircraft, Lancaster PB564 and the fate of the crew. My interest has been aroused in that I have the telegram from the family of F/L Hayes confirming he is a prisoner to the the family of W/O Clayton who evaded.

    Any information most appreciated.

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    Carter has DFC to Hayes, Ivor Brian FL (48827) RAF 635 Sqn gazetted 14/11/1944:5206.

    No citation given.

    My PoW list records him as PoW
    http://www.rafcommands.com/Air%20Force%20PoWs/RAF%20POWs%20Query%20H_1.html

    No camp or PoW number so it was late 1944 that he appears in the listings.

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    Thanks Ross.

    With 635 being a Pathfinder Squadron and Chorley recording the possibility that he had flown 53 operations at the time of his loss in January 1945 would it be too much of a stretch to suspect the DFC was for completing the first 30?

    There is a detailed book about the Squadron whose title I can't remember which I believe details every operation, but at £60 I'm afraid it is way outside my price range.

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    There is an excellent possibility that the recommendation for his DFC (complete with sortie list) with be found at the National Archives (Kew) in Air 2/8828.

    In the event that you or a person acting on your behalf examines this file, I would be grateful if copies could also be made of the DFC recommendations for Vivian Thomas Woods (No.405 Squadron) and James Paul Howard (No.139 Squadron), both RCAF whose awards were gazetted 10 November 1944. I have brief texts but the original submissions would be welcomed, especially if they have sortie lists.

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    Both serial numbers are his, teh former his RAF commishioned number and the latter his Army. RA number.

    Date: 9 June 1942 Issue number: 35592 Page number: 2552
    To be granted tempy. commns. as Plt. Offs. on being employed with the R.A.F.: —
    2nd May 1942.
    Ivor Brian HAYES, Lt. R.A. (48827).

    Date: 19 January 1943 Issue number: 35873 Page number: 438
    Plt. Offs. to be Flg. Offs. (war subs.): —
    2nd Nov. 1942.
    I. B. HAYES (Lt., R.A.) (48827)

    Date: 16 May 1944 Issue number: 36520 Page number: 2282
    Flg. Off. to Flt. Lt. (war subs.): —
    2nd May 1944.
    I. B. HAYES (Lt. R.A.) (48827).

    Date: 10 November 1944 Issue number: 36793 Page number: 5206
    Distinguished Flying Cross.
    Flight Lieutenants.
    Ivor Brian HAYES (48827), R.A.F., 635 Sqn

    Date: 2 April 1946 Issue number: 37522 Page number: 1730
    ROYAL REGIMENT OF ARTILLERY.
    The undermentioned War Subs. Lts. relinquish their commns.: —
    27th Mar. 1946: —
    I. B. HAYES, D.F.C. (126715).
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    Default Re: F/L Ivor Brian Hayes.

    Hi Kevin. Interested to see this post on Ivor (Misty) Hayes, as he was my Dad’s skipper, my Dad being Bernard McMaster, the Flight Engineer on the crew. I see the post is very old. Are you still monitoring?

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    Default Re: F/L Ivor Brian Hayes.

    Hi Kevin. I have the 635 Sqn book. An interesting side note for me is that whilst Misty Hayes and the rest of the crew received the DFC, my father did not. We’ve never known why.

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    Default Re: F/L Ivor Brian Hayes.

    Steve,

    Kevin last visited the forum at the end of January 2014, but if you click on his name at the top of his first post you will get a drop-down menu that provides five options, including 'Send email'. Click on that for his address. It may be he is no longer active but it's always worth a try.

    Brian

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    Default Re: F/L Ivor Brian Hayes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve511 View Post
    Hi Kevin. I have the 635 Sqn book. An interesting side note for me is that whilst Misty Hayes and the rest of the crew received the DFC, my father did not. We’ve never known why.
    I've come across this query from relatives a number of times and never found an answer. Often the Pilot ended the tour with a DFC (but strangely some did not get any recognition), sometimes also their Nav and Bomb Aimer particularly if they were commissioned and their pilot was a flight commander, if the crew were well regarded by the leadership then perhaps also the Wireless Op and if they'd had a nightfighter scrap or two may be a gunner or even both would get something, very frequently the Flight Eng was left out.


    Jerry Monks (pilot) of 630 Sqdn felt that his crew received no end-of-tour decorations as they had beat up RAF St Eval after being marooned there over New Year 1944/45 being made to feel unwelcome during their several nights stay and apparently the crew gave an "Agincourt salute" (two fingers) at extremely low level on heading for home, at a time when a senior officer on base was formerly based at East Kirkby and doubtless picked up the phone to their CO.

    The crew of F/O AB Craig RAAF were one of the 19 founder crews of 550 squadron, having joined from 460 Sqdn. Of those crews only 5 survived to complete their tours. Craig's crew completed a very action filled tour, he and 3 other crewmen (all 4 were RAAF) received DFC's, the other RAAF crew member (NCO rear gunner) was not decorated nor was the RAF NCO flight engineer. Having read their combat reports it staggered me that their RAF NCO mid-upper was not decorated after repeatedly saving the crew and shooting down or damaging a number of night fighters virtually single handed on four or five occasions. One of the crew (a RAAF officer) later advised that the mid-upper had been "put up" for an immediate DFM twice to his knowledge by their skipper but that the mid-upper was not liked by somebody !

    It seems to be a complete toss of the coin.
    Last edited by PeteS; 7th December 2023 at 17:41.

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